RE: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread David Hofstee
About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject). Maybe they need a push with a TerexRH400. David Hofstee Deliverability Management MailPlus

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David Hofstee da...@mailplus.nl wrote: About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject). Maybe they need a

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/3/2014 3:31 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David Hofstee da...@mailplus.nl wrote: About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See below. Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky robachev...@isoc.org wrote: We called this set of recommendations a Routing Resilience Manifesto – you can find a draft document here: https://www.routingmanifesto.org/. Howdy, First recommendation: ditch the word manifesto. Manifesto is

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Livingood, Jason
On the other hand, people will notice read a Œmanifesto¹. The industry has preached things like BCP38 for many years with not great progress... On 7/2/14, 12:20 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky robachev...@isoc.org wrote: We called

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2014 11:20 AM, William Herrin wrote: Seriously, manifesto? What's next, some routing unabombers? Oh wait, I guess we already have those, don't we? Seriously. And it is actually a deeper wound than that. The whole document (or as much of it as I was willing to read, anyway) is worded

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: On the other hand, people will notice read a Œmanifesto¹. The industry has preached things like BCP38 for many years with not great progress... Howdy, Best practices just means you're not quite the best

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? No, but how else do you suggest we

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems? While a naked run isn't my first choice, I am interested in practical solutions and responses. I've privately and publicly documented some of my

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:52:26 -0400, William Herrin said: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice you. Shall we organize a naked routing run? Ew. That's a mental image I didn't need.

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:22 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: No, but how else do you suggest we work to address these problems? While a naked run isn't my first choice, I am interested in practical solutions and

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: how can we improve? Hi Jared, Ask folks in the IRTF to hash out architectures for efficiently propagating permitted source information. The manual processes we have today don't cut it. Ask folks in the IETF and build a

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread goemon
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 7/2/2014 1:00 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jul 2, 2014, at 1:52 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: People will notice you streaking across a football field. They won't pay the slightest attention to what you have to say but they sure will notice

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky robachev...@isoc.org wrote: Colleagues, A small group of network operators has been working on defining a minimal, but feasible package of recommended measures that, if deployed on a wide scale, could result in visible improvements to the

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mpet...@netflight.com wrote: From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com Once that's done, all that's left is the naked routing run. With the way temperatures have been, I'm all in favour of that--pick a date, let's make it happen! -

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

2014-07-02 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: Is the INOC-DBA project still around? Would love to sign up for that and be able to check off #3 as well. Yep. We had a bit of a dry spell on funding for it for a while, but we have someone starting full-time on it