Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I think the key difference here is that I really just wanted HE to treat my routes no differently no matter how they learned them. I wanted them to apply normal BGP routing rules to them.. that is, pick the path with the shortest AS path. >From a strictly technical basis, its silly to prefer a

RE: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Tony Wicks
> > I do understand the reasoning behind preferring customer routes. > However in the case where a customer of a customer also connects to > you directly via peering doesn't it make sense to prefer the direct > connection? or at least not prefer the customer learned routes. So from my

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Randy Bush
most networks prefer customers over peers. a few networks don't, some large. if they changed, customers would scream at them about the newly overloaded customer circuit. we are not required to like this :) randy

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 16:23, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > I do understand the reasoning behind preferring customer routes. > However in the case where a customer of a customer also > connects to you directly via peering doesn't it make sense to prefer > the direct connection? or

RE: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
> Google has let you down, 6730 (sunrise) is not 6939 (HE) ;) > Oops I should check thing better at the end of the day .. My bad

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Lukas Tribus
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 17:19, Brian Turnbow via NANOG wrote: > > Hi, > > >I do understand the reasoning behind preferring customer routes. However > >in the case where a customer of a customer also connects to you directly via > >peering doesn't it make sense to prefer the direct connection?

RE: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Brian Turnbow via NANOG
Hi, >I do understand the reasoning behind preferring customer routes.   However in >the case where a customer of a customer also connects to you directly via >peering doesn't it make sense to prefer the direct connection?  or at >least >not prefer the customer learned routes. Business not

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Heasley
> Am 7/25/22 um 12:45 schrieb Forrest Christian (List Account) > : > >  > I wish they'd add one more that turns off their "prefer routes learned from a > customer" rule. I'm having to split my blocks in half and announce them > that way to get them to send my traffic directly to me

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I do understand the reasoning behind preferring customer routes. However in the case where a customer of a customer also connects to you directly via peering doesn't it make sense to prefer the direct connection? or at least not prefer the customer learned routes. In our situation, we were

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Rafael Possamai
>I wish they'd add one more that turns off their "prefer routes learned from a >customer" rule. I'm having to split my blocks in >half and announce them >that way to get them to send my traffic directly to me through our IX peering >session as opposed to >one of my transit providers. >I'd

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Jared Mauch
You always want to prefer customer routes over non customer routes as a service provider. Of course having a robust set of communities to let adjustments happen helps. Without proper tiering of routes you may see unstable routing. Having a standard set of customer, peer, transit set of local

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-25 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I wish they'd add one more that turns off their "prefer routes learned from a customer" rule. I'm having to split my blocks in half and announce them that way to get them to send my traffic directly to me through our IX peering session as opposed to one of my transit providers. I'd rather they

Re: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-24 Thread Siyuan Miao
They do have BGP communities ... but for black-hole only :-( On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 9:39 PM Ryan Hamel wrote: > Yes. > > Ryan > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of > Rubens Kuhl > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 12:36 PM > To: Nanog > Subject: HE.net and BGP Communities > >

RE: HE.net and BGP Communities

2022-07-24 Thread Ryan Hamel
Yes. Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 12:36 PM To: Nanog Subject: HE.net and BGP Communities The last mention I found on NANOG about HE.net and BGP communities for traffic engineering is from April 2021 and said they provided