RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-23 Thread Tony Hain
has IPv4 has IPv6" & 0 "no IPv4 has > IPv6". In other words, there are more dead names than there are > records, and there are not any IPv6-only sites in that group. > > Tony > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Tony Hain
y, November 22, 2013 1:48 PM > To: Tony Hain > Cc: joel jaeggli; valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; NANOG List > Subject: Re: NAT64 and matching identities > > So one has to wonder how those names made it into the top 100 list if it's > supposed to be a top 100 web sites, since they are obviously n

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Owen DeLong
231 > 10059,92.242.195.233 > 23912,92.242.195.30 > 31520,92.242.195.111 > 35867,92.242.195.235 > 95233,92.242.195.129 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:16 PM >> To: joel jaeggli >&g

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Tony Hain
2.242.195.129 > -Original Message- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:16 PM > To: joel jaeggli > Cc: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; Tony Hain; NANOG List > Subject: Re: NAT64 and matching identities > > It would be way more than 2

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Owen DeLong
It would be way more than 2 if it were CNAME, methinks. Owen On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:12 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 11/22/13, 12:01 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:18:27 -0800, "Tony Hain" said: >> >>> The top 100 websites: records and IPv6 connectivity >>>

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread joel jaeggli
On 11/22/13, 12:01 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:18:27 -0800, "Tony Hain" said: > >> The top 100 websites: records and IPv6 connectivity >>count with A: 98 ( 98.000%) >> count with : 30 ( 30.000%) >> Of the 30 hosts with AA

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:18:27 -0800, "Tony Hain" said: > The top 100 websites: records and IPv6 connectivity >count with A: 98 ( 98.000%) > count with : 30 ( 30.000%) > Of the 30 hosts with records, testing connectivity to TCP/80: > count with

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Owen DeLong
I question how one can have a top 100 website without an A record. I am inclined to believe there is a bug in there somewhere. Owen On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Tony Hain wrote: > Lee Howard wrote: > ... > There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all > of 500 of

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-22 Thread Tony Hain
Lee Howard wrote: ... > >> >There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all > >> >of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, > >> > >> Do you have a data source for that? I see no indication of IPv6 > >> listeners on 85% of the top sites. > > > >A slightly different metr

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-21 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko
It was a stale DNS entry. Now fixed (modulo TTLs and such), thanks. That said, your troubleshooting was troubleshooting a different problem, not your browser's inability to retrieve the page. The way the browser sends the request is something like this (note the HTTP version and the host header):

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-21 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > Yo Lee! > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:14:47 -0500 > Lee Howard wrote: > > > >There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all > > >of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, > > > > Do you have a data source for that

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-20 Thread Lee Howard
On 11/20/13 4:30 PM, "Gary E. Miller" wrote: >Yo Lee! > >On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:14:47 -0500 >Lee Howard wrote: > >> >There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all >> >of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, >> >> Do you have a data source for that? I see no in

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-20 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Lee! On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:14:47 -0500 Lee Howard wrote: > >There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all > >of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, > > Do you have a data source for that? I see no indication of IPv6 > listeners on 85% of the top sites. A s

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-20 Thread Lee Howard
Leaving out stuff . . . On 11/19/13 6:53 PM, "Ian Smith" wrote: > >There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all of 500 >of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, Do you have a data source for that? I see no indication of IPv6 listeners on 85% of the top sites. Lee

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Ian Smith wrote: It depends on what direction your are translating to: IPv6-only host to IPv4 Internet: This isn't a problem if you are dual-stack at the host, but if you really do have ip6 only hosts, you aren't looking at any requirement that is different than LSN44 or

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Ian Smith
It depends on what direction your are translating to: IPv6-only host to IPv4 Internet: This isn't a problem if you are dual-stack at the host, but if you really do have ip6 only hosts, you aren't looking at any requirement that is different than LSN44 or providing a IPv6 tunnel broker service

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 03:06:52PM -0500, Justin M. Streiner wrote: >> Other IPv6 transition mechanisms appear to be no less thorny than >> NAT64 for a variety of reasons. > > Some of us who worked on the NAT64/DNS64 combination were content

RE: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Don Bowman
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] >It's looking more and more like NAT64 will be in our future. >One of the valid concerns for NAT64 - much like NAT44 - is being >able to determine the identity of a given user through the NAT >at a given point in time. >How feasible thi

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 03:06:52PM -0500, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > Other IPv6 transition mechanisms appear to be no less thorny than > NAT64 for a variety of reasons. Some of us who worked on the NAT64/DNS64 combination were content that it was a long way from the perfect solution. The idea I

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 11/18/13 3:06 PM, "Justin M. Streiner" wrote: >It's looking more and more like NAT64 will be in our future. One of the >valid concerns for NAT64 - much like NAT44 - is being able to determine >the identity of a given user through the NAT at a given point in time. Bulk port allocation. Your

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-18 Thread Paul WALL
MSOs logging subscriber flows, what could possibly go wrong? Drive slow, like a Sandvine under load, Paul Wall On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Tom Taylor wrote: > > On 18/11/2013 3:06 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > >> It's looking more and more like NAT64 will be in our future. One of the >>

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-18 Thread Tom Taylor
On 18/11/2013 3:06 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: It's looking more and more like NAT64 will be in our future. One of the valid concerns for NAT64 - much like NAT44 - is being able to determine the identity of a given user through the NAT at a given point in time. How feasible this is depends on