RE: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-15 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG
Sorry, I did not intend to imply that you were. I should have prefaced my post with "to add". Regards, Jakob. From: Matthew Petach Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:29 PM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets I apologize if I wasn&#

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-15 Thread Matthew Petach
I apologize if I wasn't clear. I don't recommend ever using AS_SET. So, in rule 3, I use the atomic-aggregate knob to announce the single covering aggregate with my backbone ASN as the atomic-aggregate origin AS, and I don't generate or propagate any AS_SET information along with the aggregate.

RE: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-15 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz) via NANOG
Suppose you had a set of customers than all announced to you a set of routes and all those routes complete an aggregate and you announce only the aggregate to those customers and you include an AS_SET with it then those customers will drop your aggregate, thinking there is an AS-loop and those cust

RE: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-15 Thread Deepak Jain
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Lars Prehn Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 3:02 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets Thanks for all the answers! I think I have one more detail I'd like to know. Lets say you own X/22. You have delegated X/23 to

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-15 Thread Lars Prehn
Thanks for all the answers! I think I have one more detail I'd like to know. Lets say you own X/22. You have delegated X/23 to your customer, keeping the other /23 for yourself. For some reason, your customer also owns and announced (to you) all remaining IPs necessary to complete X/21. Do y

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:02 PM Lars Prehn wrote: > > Thanks for all the answers! I think I have one more detail I'd like to know. > > Lets say you own X/22. You have delegated X/23 to your customer, keeping the > other /23 for yourself. For some reason, your customer also owns and > announced (

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-14 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:04 AM Alejandro Acosta wrote: > > Hello Lars, > > As a comment there is a draft that proposes to deprecate AS_SET > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set/?include_text=1 Ta, thanks. This completes the work started by RFC6472 - "Reco

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-14 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:35 AM Lars Prehn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > how exactly do you aggregate routes? When do you add the AS_SET > attribute, when do you omit it? How does the latter interplay with RPKI? > > Best regards, > > Lars > > I generally would use the atomic-aggregate knob to genera

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-13 Thread Alejandro Acosta
Hello Lars,  As a comment there is a draft that proposes to deprecate AS_SET   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set/?include_text=1 Alejandro, On 4/11/20 7:09 AM, Lars Prehn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > how exactly do you aggregate routes? When do you add th

Re: Route aggregation w/o AS-Sets

2020-04-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
Don't user as-sets step one. Rpki does not understand how to express an as-sets' authorization. Why do you want to do this? On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 13:34 Lars Prehn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > how exactly do you aggregate routes? When do you add the AS_SET > attribute, when do you omit it? How does