Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com writes: From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much don't you think they would market

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Naslund, Steve
From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much don't you think they would market that way? You must not get out much.

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Rob Seastrom
Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com writes: From a Verizon press release last summer, all FIOS speeds are now symmetric. And no one cares. I don't even see Verizon commercials crowing about how great it is to have symmetry. If customers loved it that much don't you think they would

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Naslund, Steve
Well, it's not quite that simple. I run a global network so I buy lots of services in lots of countries and areas so I can tell you what out there even though I don't see FIOS commercials on my local TV channels, we are quite aware of the capabilities of FIOS and its competitors. I have lots

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-03 Thread Barry Shein
On March 2, 2015 at 13:21 na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) wrote: The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, it would be sold to them. End. of. story. That presumes you can predict what will be sold tomorrow, which is more what this discussion is about. If

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fletcher Kittredge fkitt...@gwi.net To: NANOG

RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Naslund, Steve
The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric or not. Not a very informative discussion.

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Damn A key... I mean asymmetric. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:00:04 PM Subject: Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Hammett
...@ics-il.net, NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:19:29 PM Subject: RE: Symmetry, DSL, and all that The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. Truth is, once the user is achieving what

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Steve Clark
On 03/02/2015 02:19 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote: The backend is still symmetric. It's still something like 1.25 gigs up and 2.5 gigs down. You can only beat that going to AE. Truth is, once the user is achieving what they consider to be acceptable performance they don't care if it is symmetric

Re: Symmetry, DSL, and all that

2015-03-02 Thread Mike A
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:41:30PM -0500, Fletcher Kittredge wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: The most important point is yes, that no one cares. If people wanted it, it would be sold to them. End. of. story. I will repeat myself, speaking