Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-11 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:01 PM, JC Dill wrote: > Michael J. Hartwick wrote: >> >> I have never understood how posting the "warning" at the bottom of the >> email >> after you have already given up the "protected" information could possibly >> be considered enforceable. > > It might be useful to l

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-11 Thread JC Dill
Michael J. Hartwick wrote: I have never understood how posting the "warning" at the bottom of the email after you have already given up the "protected" information could possibly be considered enforceable. It might be useful to look at what some people in the legal business say about these di

RE: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-11 Thread Michael J. Hartwick
Hannigan [mailto:mar...@theicelandguy.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 18:28 > To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; Brian Johnson; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: he.net down/slow? > > Some NDA's require that you must state your intent for each > communication that should be covere

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-10 Thread Joe Greco
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:54:09 CST, Joe Greco said: > > The use of the words "intended recipient" are also extremely problematic; > > by definition, if it is addressed to me, I can be construed as being the > > "intended recipient." If I then turn around and forward it to you, you > > are now also

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-10 Thread JC Dill
Joe Greco wrote: Spam filter your inbox on /CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE.*intended recipient.*destroy.*copies/siand be done with it.The individual sender normally has no control over the matter, so their only two choices are: (a) Post with the notice, or (b) Don't post at all. Wow, a

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:54:09 CST, Joe Greco said: > The use of the words "intended recipient" are also extremely problematic; > by definition, if it is addressed to me, I can be construed as being the > "intended recipient." If I then turn around and forward it to you, you > are now also an "inte

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-10 Thread Joe Greco
> Actually that's not a great idea. A notice that the recipient is > expected to handle information with unusual attention to > confidentiality is required by law to stand out so that there isn't > any ambiguity about the duties demanded of the recipient. Trade secret > cases have been lost because

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-10 Thread Joe Greco
> Spam filter your inbox on /CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE.*intended > recipient.*destroy.*copies/siand be done with it.The > individual sender normally has no control over the matter, so their > only two choices are: (a) Post with the notice, or (b) Don't post at > all. Wow, are you implying

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread goemon
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010, James Hess wrote: Spam filter your inbox on /CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE.*intended recipient.*destroy.*copies/siand be done with it.The individual sender normally has no control over the matter, so their only two choices are: (a) Post with the notice, or (b) Don't post

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Some NDA's require that you must state your intent for each > communication that should be covered by the NDA.  As much as everyone > would like to believe these are wothless, they are not. Applying them > globally to your email  protects yo

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread James Hess
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: >.. > is reasonable to inject it and everyone who can ignore it should > simply ignore it. "confidentiality notices" are non-innocuous for recipients who pay per kilobyte for data service, or who are frustrated by time wasted by reading the

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread Martin Hannigan
I never said otherwise. I did say that from a liability standpoint it is reasonable to inject it and everyone who can ignore it should simply ignore it. Best, -M< On 1/9/10, joel jaeggli wrote: > Martin Hannigan wrote: >> Some NDA's require that you must state your intent for each >> communic

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread joel jaeggli
Martin Hannigan wrote: > Some NDA's require that you must state your intent for each > communication that should be covered by the NDA. As much as everyone > would like to believe these are wothless, they are not. Applying them > globally to your email protects your legal rights. It is also > inn

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-09 Thread Martin Hannigan
Some NDA's require that you must state your intent for each communication that should be covered by the NDA. As much as everyone would like to believe these are wothless, they are not. Applying them globally to your email protects your legal rights. It is also innocous. Don't them it if you don'

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-08 Thread Dave Martin
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 06:13:16PM -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:51:41 CST, Brian Johnson said: > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:18, William Pitcock wrote: > > > > ...why would you have that on a mailing list post? > > > because the mail server that adds it is too dumb to

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:51:41 CST, Brian Johnson said: > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:18, William Pitcock wrote: > > > ...why would you have that on a mailing list post? > > because the mail server that adds it is too dumb to differentiate > > between list and direct mail? > Bingo! ;) That sort of gratu

Re: 4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:32 AM, John Adams wrote: > I'm in downtown SF and felt nothing. > I live & work virtually on top of the epicenter of the quake this morning - -- it was pretty mild, but still caused some dish rattling, building swaying, etc

RE: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Brian Johnson
> > On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:18, William Pitcock wrote: > > > ...why would you have that on a mailing list post? > > because the mail server that adds it is too dumb to differentiate > between list and direct mail? > > f Bingo! ;) - Brian CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, incl

Re: 4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread John Adams
I'm in downtown SF and felt nothing. -j On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Mike Lyon wrote: I think the he.net problems occurred before the quake... -Mike They did. I was looking at what it looked like from here when the building started swaying. Matthew Kaufman --- Jo

Re: 4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Mike Lyon wrote: I think the he.net problems occurred before the quake... -Mike They did. I was looking at what it looked like from here when the building started swaying. Matthew Kaufman

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:18, William Pitcock wrote: ...why would you have that on a mailing list post? because the mail server that adds it is too dumb to differentiate between list and direct mail? f

Re: 4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread Mike Lyon
I think the he.net problems occurred before the quake... -Mike On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:56 AM, JC Dill wrote: > Brian Johnson wrote: > >> Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or >> http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? >> >> > > We had a 4.1 earthquake here in the

Re: 4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
JC Dill wrote: > Brian Johnson wrote: >> Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or >> http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? >> > > We had a 4.1 earthquake here in the SF Bay area at about 10:09 PST. > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71336726

4.1 earthquake in SF Bay region (was Re: he.net down/slow?)

2010-01-07 Thread JC Dill
Brian Johnson wrote: Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? We had a 4.1 earthquake here in the SF Bay area at about 10:09 PST. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71336726.php I believe he.net's p

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Jed Smith
On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: > Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or > http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? Both are up here from both locations I'm bothered to try (business Comcast, Net Access Corp MMU). JS

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread William Pitcock
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 11:30 -0600, Brian Johnson wrote: > Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or > http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? > > Please let me know if you have a different experience currently. It is up here. > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message,

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Brad Fleming
no issues in Kansas City (area) via Internet2 at 12:10pm Central. On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Brian Johnson wrote: Has anyone noticed that accessing http://www.he.net or http://ipv6.he.net is either slow or inaccessible? Please let me know if you have a different experience currently. Thanks

RE: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Paul Stewart
No issues from Toronto area on an HE connection... -Original Message- From: Tim Burke [mailto:t...@tburke.us] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:43 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: he.net down/slow? Can't access http://he.net from my location here in Chicago... traceroute to h

Re: he.net down/slow?

2010-01-07 Thread Tim Burke
Can't access http://he.net from my location here in Chicago... traceroute to he.net (216.218.186.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 10.65.44.1 (10.65.44.1) 2.504 ms 1.039 ms 0.653 ms 2 * * * 3 te-2-3-ur04.romeoville.il.chicago.comcast.net (68.86.119.205) 13.648 ms 13.693 ms 13.477