http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1BfhRauFvw&feature=player_embedded
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David Swafford wrote:
> I find it very amusing when viewing the statement regarding the Nexus
> product line, "announced 2008, delivered a few months later...",
> considering that it has significan
I find it very amusing when viewing the statement regarding the Nexus
product line, "announced 2008, delivered a few months later...",
considering that it has significant QA issues that have made us regret
our purchases of all Nexus gear. We are primarily a Cat6509 shop and
standard features, one
>> To: N. Max Pierson
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: ouch..
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>>
>>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
>>> fashion the site
On 9/14/11 14:24 , Don Gould wrote:
> * Did you know that Cisco has a 100Gb solution?
need more L3 1u TORs with 4 x 40 and 48 x 10...
---Original Message-
>>> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
>>> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
>>> To: N. Max Pierson
>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Subject: Re: ouch..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500,
Microsoft had a direct dig at vmware recently (good video IMO)
http://vmlimited.ctp.trafficmgr.com/
Matt
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Jima wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Jima said:
> >> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >> > I was at Valley Fair mall the other day. Micr0$0ft is appa
> Once upon a time, Jima said:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> > I was at Valley Fair mall the other day. Micr0$0ft is apparently
>> building
>> > a
>> > new store directly across from the Apple store there.
>>
>> It's funny; they did the exact same thing at Mall of America maybe a
Original Message -
> From: "Jason Leschnik"
> If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of
> Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their
> moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non
> established player (apple) makin
Once upon a time, Jima said:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > I was at Valley Fair mall the other day. Micr0$0ft is apparently building
> > a
> > new store directly across from the Apple store there.
>
> It's funny; they did the exact same thing at Mall of America maybe a year
> ago
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
>> If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of
>> Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their
>> moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jason Leschnik wrote:
>>>
>> Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
>> gear just works.
>>
>
> If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of
> Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching t
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Jason Leschnik wrote:
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of Juniper
to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their moves so
closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see the non established
player (apple) making pokes at the
>>
> Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
> gear just works.
>
If this is really from Cisco, it must put a smile on the face of
Juniper to know their competitor of 10x the revenue is watching their
moves so closely... Typically in the Mac vs. PC adds you see
That will either be because you exceeded your port count or the RTSP ALG is
broken.
--
Leigh Porter
On 15 Sep 2011, at 07:48, "valdis.kletni...@vt.edu"
wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:36:42 -, Leigh Porter said:
>> I'm looking forward to the awful experience of NAT444 promoting IPv6.
>
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 06:36:42 -, Leigh Porter said:
> I'm looking forward to the awful experience of NAT444 promoting IPv6.
In NAT444, no one can hear you scream
pgpBLlUFzt9KM.pgp
Description: PGP signature
I'm looking forward to the awful experience of NAT444 promoting IPv6.
--
Leigh Porter
On 15 Sep 2011, at 00:37, "Mark Gauvin" wrote:
> Nat444 or frontal labotomy hmm let's see at least with the second I
> would still be able to make a living as a micro soft network admin;)
>
> Sent from m
Good grief.
Tell me ANY vendor who has not had this happen?
| QUALIFIER | - A vendor who has been in business at least ten years please.
- Mike DeMan
On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:42 AM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
>
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth
> Oxford, UK
Nat444 or frontal labotomy hmm let's see at least with the second I
would still be able to make a living as a micro soft network admin;)
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-14, at 6:07 PM, "James Jones" wrote:
> On 9/14/11 2:46 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>> In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 a
On 9/14/11 2:46 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:24:25AM +1200, Don Gould wrote:
How many of you have sat and thought about the merit of this web site?
Ok, I'll take a swing at your list...
* Does Juniper break promises?
Yes.
* Does Cisco break them?
On 15/09/2011 9:46 a.m., Leo Bicknell wrote:
Now, with that out of the way, how much does everyone else hate even the
thought of NAT444?
Clearly some hate it enough to go to the trouble of making a 'we think
they suck' web site in an attempt to draw readers in a different direction.
Now wi
In a message written on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:24:25AM +1200, Don Gould wrote:
> How many of you have sat and thought about the merit of this web site?
Ok, I'll take a swing at your list...
> * Does Juniper break promises?
Yes.
> * Does Cisco break them?
Yes.
> * What bad things and experien
Well...
Seems to be popping up on global NOG lists today.
When you're already in trouble with the wife you go have a beer with
your mates.
This campaign got all of you to stop talking about NAT444 and focused on
talking about Cisco and Juniper gear.
Hell, if I put my tinfoil hat on, I'd sa
You seem to have accidentally put an 'R' between your E and X ;)
On 9/14/2011 4:05 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Brandon Galbraith
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
gear just works.
---
--- brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Brandon Galbraith
Juniper: Who needs to waste time with pathetic marketing videos when you're
gear just works.
---
Unless it's the ERX series. Blech, it puts a bad taste in my mouth just
writing the
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:02 AM, David Israel wrote:
> On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>>
>>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
fashion the site has done, they should at least put a conta
On 9/14/2011 10:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco t
> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
>>>> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
>>>> To: N. Max Pierson
>>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>>> Subject: Re: ouch..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500,
-services/routing/mx-series/mx960/#modules
--
Leigh
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul [mailto:p...@paulgraydon.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 September 2011 16:48
> To: James Jones; Leigh Porter
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Always Learning
> Subject: Re: ouch..
>
> http://
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
amazingly professional. not.
but lead contestant for pathetic jealousy post of the year
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
>>> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
>>> To: N. Max Pierson
>>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Subject: Re: ouch..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2011-09
444 or ? (Dan Wing)
2. ouch.. (Martin Hepworth)
3. Re: ouch.. (Vlad Galu)
4. Re: ouch.. (Nick Hilliard)
5. Re: ouch.. (Brian Raaen)
6. Re: ouch.. (Always Learning)
7. Re: ouch.. (Frank Habicht)
8. HP A-series, H3C, Huawei and their capabilities in real-life
gt; To: N. Max Pierson
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: ouch..
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>>
>>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
>>> fashion the site has done, t
> -Original Message-
> From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net]
> Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39
> To: N. Max Pierson
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: ouch..
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>
> > Either way
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:44:10 CDT, "N. Max Pierson" said:
> Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco
> TAC? Cisco product development??
Cisco outsourced PR campaign? Wouldn't be the first time a company has hired a
shop, stuck a link to the result on their home pa
:)
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
>
>> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
>> fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
>> somewhere for
Define Cisco in your context please. Cisco marketing?? Cisco sales?? Cisco
TAC? Cisco product development??
I've been told several lies by some Cisco SE's that have worked with me, but
I wouldn't go as far to say "Cisco lies".
-
Max
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> O
> Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
If you believe any vendors out there are white knights (telling no
lies) you may need a reality check.
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 08:33 -0500, N. Max Pierson wrote:
> Either way, it's pathetic. If someone is going to slander in the
> fashion the site has done, they should at least put a contact form
> somewhere for some feedback :)
Slander means falsehood. Cisco tells lies ?
--
With best regards,
Check out the White Papar referenced
http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/pdfs/Why_Cisco_Not_Juniper.pdf
It has Cisco's usual White Paper format and their copyright stamped on the
bottom which is also dates "9/11". If it's not Cisco or one of it's
affiliates, I would expect them to be co
One:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
Another:
> Does seem odd that Cisco would use Go Daddy. My first thought was a
> disgruntled (ex) Juniper Employee.
Or possibly Cisco is trying to cover their tracks.
Owen
On Sep 14, 2011, at 4:15 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
>
>
>
> whois
On Sep 14, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
>> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
>
> Wow, classy.
>
> Nick
Wow... If Cisco slides any further into mudslinging, I'll expect the company to
run
for president.
Owen
-Original Message-
>From: Erik Bais [mailto:eb...@a2b-internet.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:56 AM
>To: 'Frank Habicht'; nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: RE: ouch..
>Personally I think this is a pathetic action from Cisco, however I'm n
On 09/14/2011 07:58 AM, Brian Raaen wrote:
Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for
Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that
they are more about marketing now.
---
Brian Raaen
Network Architect
Cisco has always been
Nice, I didn't see that. Then I guess whoever set up this site was a shill for
Cisco, I just love how instead of focusing on developing better products, that
they are more about marketing now.
---
Brian Raaen
Network Architect
Zcorum
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 02:20:56PM +0300, Frank Habicht wrot
nal Message-
> From: Frank Habicht [mailto:ge...@geier.ne.tz]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:21 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: ouch..
>
> Main cisco page has a link to it...
>
> Frank
>
> On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote:
> > Looks l
Main cisco page has a link to it...
Frank
On 9/14/2011 2:15 PM, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
> look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
> over the site.
>
>
>
> whois overpromisesunderdeli
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 07:15 -0400, Brian Raaen wrote:
> Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip
> do not look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted
> their logo all over the site.
(1) If Cisco were responsible, would they want to advertise the fact
Looks like some random person registered this one. The domain and ip do not
look related to cisco even though someone has falsely pasted their logo all
over the site.
whois overpromisesunderdelivers.net
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
On 14/09/2011 11:42, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
Wow, classy.
Nick
On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Martin Hepworth wrote:
> http://www.overpromisesunderdelivers.net/
Saying the other brand sucks doesn't make yours any better. Besides, there are
other big players on the market. Terribly lame of Cisco...
Vlad Galu
g...@packetdam.com
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