Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 75cb24520911060747x3556e01tbb80be8c9e0d5...@mail.gmail.com, Christ opher Morrow writes: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said: Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet? `(2) INTERNET

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-08 Thread Bill Stewart
If you're a consumer broadband provider, and you use a DNS blackhole list so that any of your subscribers who tries to reach bigbank1.fakebanks.example.com gets redirected to fakebankwebsitelist.sipc.gov, you might be able to claim that you complied with the law, though the law's aggressive enough

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said: Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet? `(2) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS- Any Internet service provider that, on or through a system or network controlled or operated by the Internet service provider, transmits, routes,

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 23895.1257461...@turing-police.cc.vt.edu, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes: --==_Exmh_1257461806_2581P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said: Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet? `(2) INTERNET

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 5, 2009, at 5:56 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:40:09 CST, Bryan King said: Did I miss a thread on this? Has anyone looked at this yet? `(2) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS- Any Internet service provider that, on or through a system or network controlled or

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Richard Bennett
I think the idea is for the government to create an official blacklist of the offending sites, and for ISPs to consult it before routing a packet to the fraud site. The common implementation would be an ACL on the ISPs border router. The Congress doesn't yet understand the distinction between

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Richard Bennett wrote: I think the idea is for the government to create an official blacklist of the offending sites, and for ISPs to consult it before routing a packet to the fraud site. The common implementation would be an ACL on the ISPs border router. The

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Richard Bennett
IANAL, but I wouldn't set too much stock by that order - there are numerous errors of fact in the opinion, and much of it relates to the lack of due process in the maintenance of a secret blacklist. It was also a state law, not a federal one, so there was a large jurisdictional question (the

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Net neutrality suffers another blow. I liked Congress when they had no idea what the internet was, now they've progressed to still have no idea but like to pretend. Jeff On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Richard Bennett

Re: Congress may require ISPs to block fraud sites H.R.3817

2009-11-05 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Barry Shein wrote: I was at an IP (as in intellectual property), um, constituency I think, IPC, meeting at ICANN which basically consisted of 99 lawyers and me in the room. By the Montevideo ICANN meeting '01 the Internet Service Providers Constituency (ISPC) had dwindled down to the