Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >John Levine writes: > >> I have signed all 300 zones on my DNS servers, but only about half of >> them have working DNSSEC because there is no practical way to install >> the DS records. > >Sounds like ICANN, having told us for a very long time

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG
John Levine writes: > I have signed all 300 zones on my DNS servers, but only about half of > them have working DNSSEC because there is no practical way to install > the DS records. Sounds like ICANN, having told us for a very long time that they want DNSSEC everywhere, should attempt to get a

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > >> No, not even kidding. For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a >> burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. > >Unfortunately, yes. And those of us who use it know that this is a >myth. With modern

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG
Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > No, not even kidding. For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a > burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. Unfortunately, yes. And those of us who use it know that this is a myth. With modern software, DNSSEC is quick and easy to set up, and works just

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/3/21 23:41, babydr DBA James W. Laferriere wrote: The Signing of the 'Zone' ,  Can the 'Zone' be signed by a self-signed key ?  Or MUST I (and others) rely on a external certificate authority ? Mind you I notice in rfc6487 (note(s)) about self-signed certificates . So

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-04 Thread babydr DBA James W. Laferriere
Hello Mr. Tinka & Mr. Andrews , Please see below . On Thu, 3 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote: On 6/3/21 00:25, babydr DBA James W. Laferriere wrote: The Below is to keep thread of thought accurate ... On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote: * Step 2 - take your time cluing up on

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-03 Thread Mark Andrews
DANE works with self generated CERTs. The TLSA record provides the cryptographic link back to the DNSSEC root. -- Mark Andrews > On 3 Jun 2021, at 22:32, babydr DBA James W. Laferriere > wrote: > > Hello Mark , > >> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote: >>> On 6/2/21 11:07, Jeroen

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-03 Thread babydr DBA James W. Laferriere
Hello Mark , On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, Mark Tinka wrote: On 6/2/21 11:07, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: As for solutions: better education, more improvements to the tools & making it easier. CDS records already help a lot. But we might also need to improve recovery mechanisms, as f-ups

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/3/21 00:25, babydr DBA James W. Laferriere wrote: Again ,  Will this handle the case of self-signed only ? Not sure I understand your question, in both cases of recursion and authoritative. Mark.

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-03 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/3/21 04:53, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote:  Jeroen   (who has the majority of domains under my control DNSSEC signed, but... not all; need to do the DANE part though still) You and me both, on the DANE bit :-). Mark.

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Jeroen Massar via NANOG
[ The kicker about DNSSEC is in the dnsviz links, enjoy ;) TLDR: As long as the very big providers don't demand DNSSEC / DANE, why bother as a small network (just, be prepared to deploy when it starts affecting spam scoring or your search rankings), but small networks do benefit unlike the

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Scott Morizot
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 8:54 AM Bjørn Mork wrote: > Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > > > For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a burden as it feels > > 'fragile' for them. > > For "many"? Can you name one that doesn't feel like that? > >

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Jeroen Massar via NANOG
On 2021-06-02 15:47, Bjørn Mork wrote: Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. For "many"? Can you name one that doesn't feel like that? Large organisations with 24/7 NOC teams where at least a few folks work

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Bjørn Mork
Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a burden as it feels > 'fragile' for them. For "many"? Can you name one that doesn't feel like that? https://www.arin.net/vault/announcements/2019/20190204.html

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/2/21 11:07, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: As for solutions: better education, more improvements to the tools & making it easier. CDS records already help a lot. But we might also need to improve recovery mechanisms, as f-ups are made, and you don't want to be off this Internet thing

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-02 Thread Jeroen Massar via NANOG
> On 20210601, at 15:15, Moritz Müller via NANOG wrote: > > Hi, > > DANE for SMTP is not deployed on large scale. Together with researchers from > Seoul National University, Virginia Tech and the University of Twente, we > would like to understand which challenges operators face when