Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
Limited Like:
512Kb-4GB-3Month
1024Kb-4GB-3Month
2048Kb-6GB-3Month
4096Kb-8GB-3Month
Unlimited Like:
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shahab Vahabzadeh
sh.vahabza...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
Limited Like:
On 08/23/12 10:51 +0430, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe
my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more:
You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited.
Limited Like:
512Kb-4GB-3Month
1024Kb-4GB-3Month
: Fair Use Policy
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have
literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering
negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying Google can afford
to start almost any project they want we should say Google doesn't suffer
Dear Owen,
As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we have
free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
unfairly affecting this problem.
Some companies are using some polices
What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can change
users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
heavy
engine.
-Original Message-
From: Shahab Vahabzadeh sh.vahabza...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:36:40
To: Owen DeLongo...@delong.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Fair Use Policy
What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can change
users shape time-base
Dear Owen,
Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
I have both limited and unlimited users.
For example I have these services in my package:
512Kb-5GB-1Month
256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
And like this.
Thanks
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Hi Shahab,
You can find out how much bandwidth they're using by having that
reported periodically via RADIUS (or at least when the session ends,
worst case). Store in database. SELECT sum(blah) from foo where id=bar.
Next question is what do you want to do to them once they exceed their
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
And if your infrastructure and handle 25% at a minimum maxing out their
connect them don't advertise unlimited
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I agree entirely. The US is not exactly known for great broadband access,
particularly where I live in the
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:17:14 -0400, Sean Harlow said:
Wired internet providers should not even be thinking about caps below the 250
GB/mo point. Neither of these example speeds can even reach that level, so if
you feel the need to cap you are doing it wrong and should rethink your
business
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sean Harlow s...@seanharlow.info wrote:
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:06, Bacon Zombie wrote:
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I agree entirely. The US is not
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to a
certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed thereafter.
(At least that's what their marketing
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
a certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:35, Owen DeLong wrote:
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up to
a certain amount
(that you paid for) and then all-you-can-sip at incredibly low speed
thereafter.
The new plans being brought out are supposedly true unlimited, but
On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:45 , Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
And, in the other camp, unlimited offerings from T-Mobile, Sprint, and Metro
Well...sort of. To be fair, the T-Mo version of unlimited is unlimited up
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.
I don't believe $5 even covers an ISP's typical cost
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
http://fiber.google.com/
http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-means-for-u-s-broadband/
On Aug 22, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I
On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger benja...@seattlefenix.net wrote:
Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth, with their
On Aug 22, 2012, at 17:41 , Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/12, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:
I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be
Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they are
in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
bandwidth,
... kind of like all the other major incumbents like att, Comcast, and
all those. Of course, the difference is that att, Comcast, etc., all
have
A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have literally
millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering negotiations. Perhaps
more accurately, rather than saying Google can afford to start almost any
project they want we should say Google doesn't suffer the
I just wish that someone...Google or ANYONE else would do something like Google
Fiber in the technological wasteland where I live instead of focusing only on
hotbeds of high-speed internet and well-connected customers like Kansas City,
parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc.
Here in my
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
broken.
The difference is that gas, water, and electricity are all resources that have
actual costs relevant
In message 391af4eb-239d-4982-8682-643253440...@seanharlow.info, Sean Harlow
writes:
On Aug 22, 2012, at 21:25, William Herrin wrote:
Works for the electric company, the gas company, the water company,
etc. Metering I mean, not a use cap. The notion of a cap is pretty
broken.
The
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Sean Harlow wrote:
As far as I can tell, the actual cost of the bits being transferred is
so minuscule as to be practically irrelevant for anyone who's not at the
scale to be dealing directly with Tier 1 carriers. Capacity costs
money, but once it's there utilization is
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