Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-05 Thread Jon Sands
My favorite is 12.8tbps Capacityz on the second slide. On 11/2/2013 3:44 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Yeah. I reported that to them over the Summer... hopefully their cable laying crew is more attentive to detail. ;-) -Jim P. -- Jon Sands

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
John Levine wrote: I expect we'll hear lots of pontification, quietly fading away when someone explains to the pontificators just how expensive it would be to do what they want, and ask where the money is coming from. For countries other than US, mandating domestic servers prevents money

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Jorge Amodio
This is not 100% true, the economics of hosting and providing layer 7 services are not longer strictly defined by geographic boundaries, also some local companies (global or not) provide services locally regardless of the location (or multiple locations) of the servers. There is no field on the

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Masataka Ohta
Jorge Amodio wrote: There is no field on the IP packet header to indicate to which political mandate the packet belongs. If a service provider violates some local regulation, the provider will be punished, which is the political mandate. That is, the service provider should better observe

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Jorge Amodio
That is correct (not everywhere) but it has no direct relationship with the economics plus violating local or international laws is way above layer 7 Also there is no uniform and universal standard that defines what is or is not a violation. -Jorge On Nov 4, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Masataka Ohta

RE: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Eric Tykwinski
...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 8:37 AM To: Masataka Ohta Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post That is correct (not everywhere) but it has no direct relationship with the economics plus violating local

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com wrote: Just wanted to add something to the discussion: http://www.renesys.com/2013/10/google-dns-departs-brazil-ahead-new-law/ Basically, they are claiming possible new laws in Brazil have left Google to shut down DNS

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-04 Thread Tei
Casual comment: This scheme, have a problem. USA is friend of country A,and country B. A is spying on B, and share the results with USA. B is spying on A and share the results with USA. A and B can make a network, but will be all but private. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-03 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: I can't be the only one to have been following this 12.8TB of neat-o-ness: http://www.bricscable.com/ 34 000 km, 2 fibre pair, 12.8

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread John Levine
In article ee045d19-797d-4346-8793-b854e528f...@email.android.com you write: The balkanizing of the Net? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/11/01/how-anti-nsa-backlash-could-fracture-the-internet-along-national-borders/ I expect we'll hear lots of pontification, quietly

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: In article ee045d19-797d-4346-8793-b854e528f...@email.android.com you write: The balkanizing of the Net?

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: In article ee045d19-797d-4346-8793-b854e528f...@email.android.com you write: The balkanizing of the Net?

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: In article ee045d19-797d-4346-8793-b854e528f...@email.android.com you

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jorge Amodio
Saying that advocating for an open and global Internet is a nog part of USG's cyber-espionage efforts is completely preposterous. -Jorge On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The balkanizing of the Net?

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
I'm afraid I can't glark 'nog' in that sentence from context... Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that advocating for an open and global Internet is a nog part of USG's cyber-espionage efforts is completely preposterous. -Jorge On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Jay Ashworth

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jorge Amodio
LOL, I was typing on an iPad and didn't notice, s/nog/big/ Thanks for the catch. -J On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I'm afraid I can't glark 'nog' in that sentence from context... Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: Saying that advocating for an

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:12:54PM -0400, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote a message of 8 lines which said: The balkanizing of the Net? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/11/01/how-anti-nsa-backlash-could-fracture-the-internet-along-national-borders/ So, to host

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Jorge Amodio
I've never seen a byte claiming any nationality, Internet network topology is not geopolitical (at least a vast percentage of it) and routing policy != politics. When now in a cloud world your data may get replicated anywhere, trying to create islands (which btw are not immune to

Re: How anti-NSA backlash could fracture the Internet along national borders - The Washington Post

2013-11-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Jim Popovitch jim...@gmail.com wrote: I can't be the only one to have been following this 12.8TB of neat-o-ness: http://www.bricscable.com/ 34 000 km, 2 fibre pair, 12.8 Tbit/s so you can get 80 waves on a single pair, 80 100g waves? that's 8tbps where's