Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
I've seen various communities attempt to hand out free wifi - usually in limited areas, but in some cases community-wide (Brookline, MA comes to mind). The limited ones (e.g., in tourist hotspots) have been city funded, or donated. The community-wide ones, that I've seen, have been

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: I'd say your experience is anomalous. I don't know which township you're in, but I'd suggest you focus on getting a set of more effective local officials. Sure, 'cause fixing local utility problems at

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrew Gallo wrote: On 7/21/2014 2:58 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, William Herrin wrote: The only exception I see to this would be if localities were constrained to providing point to point and point to multipoint communications infrastructure within the locality on a

Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics)

2014-07-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org That's the problem. Copper plant is clearly not the optimal solution for data communication, but when you really NEED a voice call to go through -- say, when a major hurricane moves up the coast, taking out all kinds of

Re: Replacing Copper With Fiber, er, FiOS (was Re: Muni Fiber and Politics)

2014-07-21 Thread Mike.
On 7/21/2014 at 9:53 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: |- Original Message - |There's a messier problem here, that I don't see much coverage of (so |perhaps I heard it wrong): | |Is not Verizon trying to replace *regulated* ILEC copper with |*unregulated* FiOS VoF? | From what I've read in the

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Jima
On 2014-07-21 16:20, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Strangely enough, it seems like if you actually want faster internet, you have to move away from the big metro areas. Kansas City, MO/KS, Chattanooga, TN, Burlington, VT, Wilson, NC, Lafayette, LA, all have much faster internet than most of the

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/21/2014 2:08 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote: My power is pretty much always on, my water is pretty much always on and safe, my sewer system works, etc etc... Why is layer 1 internet magically different from every other utility? Almost forces a what planet question. Our power comes, some times,

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/21/2014 2:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: I think the difference is when the municipality starts throwing in free or highly subsidized layer 3 connectivity free with every layer 1 connection I don't think municipality is particularly relevant. What is relevant is offering unfunded,

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 21, 2014, at 18:25 , Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: goe...@anime.net wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: - the anti-muni laws hurt small localities the most, where none of the big players have any intent of deploying anything This is exacatly why

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 21, 2014, at 18:25 , Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: goe...@anime.net wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: - the anti-muni laws hurt small localities the most, where none of the big players have any intent of deploying anything This

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread John Osmon
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 01:34:58PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:38 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The only exception I see to this would be if localities were constrained to providing

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 21 July 2014 18:25, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: goe...@anime.net wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: - the anti-muni laws hurt small localities the most, where none of the big players have any intent of deploying anything This is exacatly why ashland

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-07-21 Thread John Osmon
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 05:36:13PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: As I noted in a long thread last year, I think that providing noncompetitive L2 aggregation as well -- on the same type of terms -- is productive in reducing barriers to entry. Qwest had a great DSL product that did just this. They

<    1   2   3