Re: Zayo Extortion

Dear nanog, I'm asking the group to stay focussed on network operator topics. While I appreciate the time and effort spend on the original legal research in this thread, I fear the problem space of what defines libel or slander is too far removed from the mailing list charter as described here:

Re: Zayo Extortion

Guys, Actually, thank you for the responses. I was hoping you wouldn’t take my attempt at friendly and humorous conversation the wrong way. I appreciate the education on the topic, as well. :) However, I’d like to ask a few questions on it, if you don’t mind? (Also - you’re right, it’s not

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 01:11:09 +0200, Jonathan Hall said: > And either way, defamation requires some form of punitive damage be proven in > order to act ually win that case. In addition to the other things already pointed out, punitive damage doesn't need to be proven. *Actual* damages have to be

Re: Zayo Extortion

On 8/16/2016 21:13, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Jonathan Hall wrote: if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not) - this doesn’t count as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form. Jonathan, Technically you're right, but not for the reason you

Re: Zayo Extortion

For the record: Extortion(n) Law. *the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.* Not sure if (according to the provided account) a service provider threatening to disable a critical business service unless rendered a sum of money the service

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Jonathan Hall wrote: > if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not) - this doesn’t count > as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form. Jonathan, Technically you're right, but not for the reason you think. Slander is verbal defamation. Libel is

Re: Zayo Extortion

Jon, You're mistaken. This has nothing to do with being or not being an FCC-controlled medium. It has to do with published statements that may not be true -- which are classified as libel, not slander (slander is spoken, libel is written). If you post it in a mailing list, or on Facebook, it's

Re: Zayo Extortion

Excuse me for chiming in, here… But, if I’m not mistaken (don’t worry, I’m not) - this doesn’t count as ‘slander’ in any way, shape or form. This mail thread is not any kind of valid FCC controlled or public communications device, as the internet was actually excluded from the public

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Niels Bakker

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:53:23 +0200, Niels Bakker said: > An actual lawyer! Where were you in the CloudFlare booters thread, though? Keeping sensibly quiet, I think... :) pgp7DwJ_2f90w.pgp Description: PGP signature

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* amitch...@isipp.com (Anne Mitchell) [Tue 16 Aug 2016, 16:46 CEST]: [...] Attorney at Law Legislative Consultant An actual lawyer! Where were you in the CloudFlare booters thread, though? -- Niels. -- "It's amazing what people will do to get their name on the internet, which is

Re: Zayo Extortion

>> to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only >> shows the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us." >> All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short >> timelines such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday, >> we will

Re: Zayo Extortion

In response to the original email they do do this I have experienced it myself it is usually because of billing issues that they don't know how to resolve. It's complete BS worse than dealing with att. On Aug 15, 2016 9:14 AM, "Paras Jha" wrote: > Yeah, I see a wall

Re: Zayo Extortion

On 8/15/2016 07:29, Mike Hammett wrote: Try more facts and less emotion. I remember a day when I was banned from NANOG of less emotion and lots more factual content. - Original Message - From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG" Red-flag line. [much snippage has occurred] A

RE: Zayo Extortion

, 2016 1:00 PM To: HonorFirst Name Ethics Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Zayo Extortion On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows > the total amount du

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Try more facts and less emotion. +1 > From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG" > they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short timelines > such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday,

RE: Zayo Extortion

[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Florian Weimer Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:10 PM To: Chris Knipe Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Zayo Extortion * Chris Knipe: > Although a company that can't manage their book keeping properly, is > IMHO enough reason to not use them... :-)

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* Chris Knipe: > Although a company that can't manage their book keeping properly, is IMHO > enough reason to not use them... :-) Ther used to be a saying that you could choose between carries with functional billing and carriers with a functional network.

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG wrote: > to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows > the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us." > All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 5:41 PM, wrote: > On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:16:26 -0400, Jon Lewis said: > > Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill? > > And if you're in fact up-to-date, make sure you have *proof* of same. It's > not unheard of for

Re: Zayo Extortion

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:16:26 -0400, Jon Lewis said: > Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill? And if you're in fact up-to-date, make sure you have *proof* of same. It's not unheard of for providers to mis-credit your payments and then think you're behind.

Re: Zayo Extortion

Obvious first question would be, have you fallen behind paying your bill? Most service providers will threaten to disrupt your service if you don't pay for the services they provide. I would expect you're months behind paying for service before they say: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this

Re: Zayo Extortion

Nope, have not seen any of this bad stuff you speak of. I can say that over the last few years i have done a ton business with Zayo and they are top flight in every respect. On Saturday, August 13, 2016, HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > Question to the NANOG

Re: Zayo Extortion

Yeah, I see a wall of text, but no real evidence to substantiate it. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Try more facts and less emotion. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > >

Re: Zayo Extortion

Try more facts and less emotion. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "HonorFirst Name Ethics via NANOG" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:50:46 AM