Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-24 Thread Rob Seastrom
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:48 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> If they *do* steal both, >> they can bruteforce the SSH passphrase, but after 5 tries of guessing >> the Yubikey PIN it self-destructs. > > What yubikey are you talking about? I have a password protecting my > ssh key but the yubikeys

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-24 Thread John Kinsella
To give it a mention, I’m a big fan of Duo Security. Auth requests are sent out-of-band to an authenticated app on your mobile device, you verify the request, then that’s sent back to the duo server and then to the requestor. I’ve used it with ssh and radius and it worked well. Microsoft’s

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-24 Thread Tom Beecher
> > What yubikey are you talking about? I have a password protecting my > ssh key but the yubikeys I've used (including the FIPS version) spit > out a string of characters when you touch them. No pin. > PIV enabled ones have pins if you are using that functionality. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:51

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-24 Thread John Covici
How about a new technology I have heard about called sqrl. See https://sqrl.grc.com for more information. It overcomes a lot of the problems discussed here. On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 22:22:18 -0400, Michael Loftis wrote: > > [1 ] > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 20:08 Michael Loftis wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread Michael Loftis
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 20:08 Michael Loftis wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 18:50 William Herrin wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:16 PM Warren Kumari wrote: >> > Well, yes and no. With a Yubiikey the attacker has to be local to >> > physically touch the button[0] - with just an SSH

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread Michael Loftis
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 18:50 William Herrin wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:16 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > > Well, yes and no. With a Yubiikey the attacker has to be local to > > physically touch the button[0] - with just an SSH key, anyone who gets > > access to the machine can take my key

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 5:16 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > Well, yes and no. With a Yubiikey the attacker has to be local to > physically touch the button[0] - with just an SSH key, anyone who gets > access to the machine can take my key and use it. This puts it in the > "something you have" (not

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:57 PM William Herrin wrote: > > > On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > In my experience, yubikeys are not very secure. I know of someone in my > > team who would generate a few hundred tokens during a meeting and save the > > output in a text file. Then they'd

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread William Herrin
> On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: > In my experience, yubikeys are not very secure. I know of someone in my team > who would generate a few hundred tokens during a meeting and save the output > in a text file. Then they'd have a small python script which was triggered by > a hotkey on

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:34 PM George Michaelson wrote: > > I don't see SKEY style OTP lists as inherently bad. "its how you do > it" which concerns me, not that it is done. > trust your users to always ALWAYS find the worst way to use the product. Note the label on bleach bottles: "Do not

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2020-03-23 Thread George Michaelson
I don't see SKEY style OTP lists as inherently bad. "its how you do it" which concerns me, not that it is done. -G On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:33 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:00 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > > > Hi, >

Re: crypto frobs

2020-03-23 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:00 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > Hi, > > In my experience, yubikeys are not very secure. I know of someone in my team > who would generate a few hundred tokens during a meeting and save the output > in a text file. Then