Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Stefan Fouant
I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP environments. I imagine VPLS has a big play here, but I'm willing to bet there are all sorts of weirdness that such environments can create, such as the effect it may have on DR elections, etc.

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread ChrisSerafin
We are doing: Citrix XenServer environments at both sites with NetApps for the SANs MPLS connections with Riverbeds for WAN op. Let me know if you wanna dig into this deeper. Stefan Fouant wrote: I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Fouant wrote: I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP environments. 'DR' is an obsolete 40-year-old mainframe concept; it never works, as funding/testing/scaling of the 'backup' systems is never

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Charles Wyble
On Oct 28, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Fouant wrote: I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP environments. 'DR' is an obsolete 40-year-old mainframe concept; it never works, as

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Ray Sanders
Roland, Could you elaborate on GSLB (Global Load Balancing?) ? Pardon if that question seems a bit noob-ish Thanks Roland Dobbins wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Fouant wrote: I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Ryan Brooks
Roland Dobbins wrote: On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stefan Fouant wrote: I'm wondering what are the growing trends in connecting Data Centers for redundancy in DR/COOP environments. 'DR' is an obsolete 40-year-old mainframe concept; it never works, as funding/testing/scaling of the 'backup'

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Brandon Galbraith
Layer-3-independence and active/active/etc. is where it's at in terms of high availability in the 21st Century. GSLB, et. al. Somewhere on video.google.com is a Google I/O talk explaining the hell that is active/active redundancy and how hard it is to achieve at layers 4-7. I don't argue that

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Oct 29, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Brandon Galbraith wrote: Somewhere on video.google.com is a Google I/O talk explaining the hell that is active/active redundancy and how hard it is to achieve at layers 4-7. Depends upon the type of apps, amount of required concurrency, etc. It's easy on the

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Oct 29, 2009, at 12:42 AM, Ray Sanders wrote: Could you elaborate on GSLB (Global Load Balancing?) ? Architectural choices, implementation scenarios, DNS tricks to ensure optimal cleaving to and availability of distributed nodes within a given tier:

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Brandon Galbraith
Props for mentioning mod_backhand. Excellent tool for GSLB. On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Oct 29, 2009, at 12:42 AM, Ray Sanders wrote: Could you elaborate on GSLB (Global Load Balancing?) ? Architectural choices, implementation scenarios,

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Darren Bolding
Also, commercial solutions from F5 (their GTM product and their old 3-DNS product). Using CDN's is also a way of handling this, but you need to be prepared for all your traffic to come from their source-ip's or do creative things with x-forwarded-for etc. Making an active/active datacenter

RE: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Stefan Fouant
-Original Message- From: Darren Bolding [mailto:dar...@bolding.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:57 PM To: Roland Dobbins Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures Also, commercial solutions from F5 (their GTM product and their old 3- DNS product

Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures

2009-10-28 Thread Truman Boyes
On 29/10/2009, at 8:39 AM, Stefan Fouant wrote: -Original Message- From: Darren Bolding [mailto:dar...@bolding.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:57 PM To: Roland Dobbins Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Redundant Data Center Architectures Also, commercial solutions from F5