Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-18 Thread John McCormac
On 16/09/2014 16:26, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? The main issue wouldn't be the timeframe for a rollout of a Scottish ccTLD but rather the disengagement from the .UK ccTLD. The legislative part will take time and there might

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Tei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table VR, GO, ON, NY, ...these seems to be free :D Clearly New York must declare independence. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC)... Do you not mean *un*available for assignment? They're not

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jens Link
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: su is not available. I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:18 AM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Jens Link li...@quux.de wrote: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: su is not available. I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. No it is not. A friend told me that .su

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jens Link
David Conrad d...@virtualized.org writes: A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good choice. ;-) That would be an *exceptionally* bad idea. I agree. On the other hand: People pay me to fix network

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread manning bill
Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. 2_ ICANN has no say in the country code selected. 3_ The choice is up to an ISO committee. See:

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
well, apropos to point #2, the iso3166/ma includes representatives from ten agencies, of which a certain 501(c)(3) originally in marina del rey, now in los angeles, is included. however, i can't imagine staff offering an opinion of record on the subject. ay for aye would work for me. -e On

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/17/14 8:03 AM, manning bill wrote: Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. This is not actually true. We have prior art on

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: manning bill bmann...@isi.edu Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. Am I missing something, or is

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU, UA, etc.) and

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it falls under the Russian legal framework. The

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 9/17/14 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: David Conrad d...@virtualized.org Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:02:45AM +0200, Tei wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table GO [...] seems to be free :D 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway... the newest independent state. - Matt

Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they should be fine with say sc On 16-Sep-2014 8:58 pm, Jay Ashworth

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah. Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Mark E. Jeftovic
.SC is the ccTLD for Seychelles - mark Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named Scota so they

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread TR Shaw
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Ah.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com wrote: Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called Scotland Caledonia and Ireland Hibernia Scotland is named for an ancient / mythical queen named

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. su is not available. --msa

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 16/09/2014 16:43, Jay Ashworth wrote: Except that, alas, .sc is already assigned, to Seychelles. Or this wouldn't be a thing. :-) no-one's recently found oil under the Seychelles, so there doesn't seem to be an immediate need to install some new democracy over there and liberate the

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread TR Shaw
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:52 AM, TR Shaw wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com Alba was the ancient roman name for England, meaning white, because if the white cliffs of Dover They called

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
Jay Ashworth writes: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? It hasn't. I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. That is a gTLD at best, not an alpha-2 ISO 3166

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it is allocated but will be removed from the allocated list “soon” (for some value of the variable “soon”). I

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread jamie rishaw
Do we get to bill time and materials (tm) if they vote to secede? I mean, we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a nonsignificant number of billable hours. Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Just sayin'. -j On Tue, Sep

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Sep 16, 2014, at 11:26 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally reserved. Just in case? ; -- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net //

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jay Ashworth
Sss! :-) On September 16, 2014 12:28:05 PM EDT, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote: Do we get to bill time and materials (tm) if they vote to secede? I mean, we're engineers and all but even this discussion has netted a nonsignificant number of billable hours. Remember, the entire secession

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Barry Shein
.PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could combine Scotland and Picts to rationalize .SP. I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being identified with the Picts, however. Perhaps that's a nonsensical idea. Oh well. I guess if Scotland

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 9:28 AM, jamie rishaw wrote: Remember, the entire secession movement is being funded by a couple of Lottery winners. Um ... the history of Scots not wanting to be ruled by !Scots goes back a wee bit further. :) Doug

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 9:26 AM, David Conrad wrote: SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as “exceptionally reserved” which IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are EU, UK, and AC). Don’t get me started on why SU is exceptionally reserved instead of transitionally

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Regards,

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Waites
On 16/09/14 16:26, Jay Ashworth wrote: I see also a suggestion, credited to Dave Eastabrook (sp?) of .ab, which apparently stands for Alba, which I will assume has historical significance (the country name in Scots Gaelic, perhaps?) It has current significance, as Gaelic is recognised as an

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: I know that IANA bases its list of ccTLDs on the 3166 list. Does anyone know if the 3166 secretariat has a preliminary choice in mind? I see press coverage of .scot, but of course that's not germane. Here's a list of

RE: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: David Conrad Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, but really, we're talking about an oil rich nation being

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. One really should to consult http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards/country_codes.htm and https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#home before making these kind of assumptions. jaap

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the aye vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma issue the relevant update, allocating a code point to

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. SF (Finland, from “Suomi Finland”) is “transitionally reserved” meaning it is allocated but will be removed

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 10:45 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: On 9/16/14 8:26 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: What kind of timeframe would a new ccTLD for a major country roll out on? that could be several quite distinct questions: 1. assuming that the aye vote prevails, in what quarter will the iso3166/ma

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion in the ccTLD space. The primary source

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/16/14 11:06 AM, David Conrad wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table Minor nit, referring to secondary sources, even ones so well-maintained as wikipedia, has rather often led to confusion

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, No, no.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: Scotland ccTLD? Date: Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:09:27AM -0700 Quoting Doug Barton (do...@dougbarton.us): A better question is why is SU still in the root? Since the rebels in eastern Ukraine have been reported to call their intimidation police НКВД[0] I suppose the rest

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Hill
On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Actually heard recently that .sq might be the preferred option. Not sure what the reason for that was. I'd

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Tom Hill t...@ninjabadger.net wrote: On 16/09/14 18:18, David Conrad wrote: Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) Actually heard recently that .sq might

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:45:07PM -0300, Rubens Kuhl wrote: sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Will be reserved to a future United Korea if that happens... Rubens

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Matt Palmer
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: .PC, for Picts (I believe it's available.) But I doubt that would fly. They could abolish all taxes and fund the entire country just on domain name sales. I don't know anything about Scotland's attitude toward being identified with

RE: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Keith Medcalf
sc is Seychelles. Available s* include sf, sp, sq, su and sw. They should pick .sf, use .scot for in-country domains and sell all .sf domains to San Francisco residents. Or Science Fiction productions. Lots more money there.

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/16/2014 18:57, Masataka Ohta wrote: What will happen to .uk if England is left alone? Masataka Ohta There are still at least 3 countries left in the UK if Scotland splits. The name change is that in that event, Great Britain (.gb country-code