Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Bryan Fields
On 4/28/21 1:50 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting > news group”, and as fascinating as the patent troll take down is, it has > nothing to do with operational issues. Read the AUP, if your don’t believe > me. Item 8: > > Posts of a

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread George Metz
Respectfully Mel, the patent with Blackbird may well have been that - my reading of the past case agrees with yours for the most part - but the current case is Sable Networks suing Cloudflare over a patent involving routers. Given the patent involved and the choice of Cloudflare as a target, this w

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Mel Beckman
Bill, Blackbird chooses its victims based on whether any of a couple dozen vague patents they hold can plausibly be used to extort money out of a victim company. BB doesn’t go after service providers in particular, it just happens to have chosen a service provider (unwisely, it turns out) in th

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Mel Beckman
Michael, No, I explained very clearly that my comments about DoD address space were not related to any single party — in fact, government malfeasance with citizen data has gone on equally with every administration since J. Edgar Hoover ran the FBI. THAT is clearly an operational issue, since op

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:20 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > This dispute is no different than if they had gotten into an argument > over a copier toner scammer. Hi Mel, If the patents at issue pertained to copier toner I might agree with you. They're networking patents purporting to govern technologie

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Michael Thomas
On 4/28/21 10:19 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: Michael, Sorry, but Cloudfare wasn’t sued /because/ they’re a service provider. This dispute is no different than if they had gotten into an argument over a copier toner scammer. And your snide remark about my comments, claiming they are political, is

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Mel Beckman
Michael, Sorry, but Cloudfare wasn’t sued because they’re a service provider. This dispute is no different than if they had gotten into an argument over a copier toner scammer. And your snide remark about my comments, claiming they are political, is uncalled for. I fastidiously avoid making po

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Michael Thomas
On 4/28/21 2:04 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting news group”, and as fascinating as the patent troll take down is, it has nothing to do with operational issues. Read the

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread Michael Thomas
Cloudflare is a service provider. Getting sued by patent trolls is an operational issue. And you're a fine one to complain about political axes to grind. Mike On 4/27/21 10:50 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting news group”, and a

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting > news group”, and as fascinating as the patent troll take down is, it has > nothing to do with operational issues. Read the AUP, if your don’t believe > me. Item 8:

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-27 Thread Mel Beckman
NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting news group”, and as fascinating as the patent troll take down is, it has nothing to do with operational issues. Read the AUP, if your don’t believe me. Item 8: Posts of a political, philosophical, or legal nature are pr

Re: Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-27 Thread Justin Paine via NANOG
Correction -- another one. https://blog.cloudflare.com/winning-the-blackbird-battle/ :) Here's an except from the new blog post: offering $100,000 to be shared by the winners who are successful in finding such prior art. Please help! __ *Justin P

Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today

2021-04-27 Thread Michael Thomas
And we can help! Cloudflare is setting out to destroy a patent troll: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210426/09454946684/patent-troll-sable-networks-apparently-needs-to-learn-lesson-cloudflare-wants-to-destroy-another-troll Mike