Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10 feb 2011, at 0:26, David Freedman wrote: Unless every packet you emit is ≤ the minimum MTU (1280), then, you need to be able to receive TOOBIG messages. Can you think of a packet type I will emit from my publically numbered backbone interface which may solicit a TOOBIG that I'll have

Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-10 Thread David Freedman
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 10 feb 2011, at 0:26, David Freedman wrote: Unless every packet you emit is ≤ the minimum MTU (1280), then, you need to be able to receive TOOBIG messages. Can you think of a packet type I will emit from my publically numbered backbone interface which may

Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:15:52 GMT, David Freedman said: these people are doing this by design, I think thats the point I'm trying to get across, if you will never need to process TOOBIG in your design, there is no need to accept it. And how many networks break PMTUD because their design says

Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-09 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 9 feb 2011, at 18:30, David Freedman wrote: (yes, even ICMP TOOBIG can be filtered safely if you have designed things in a sane way) NO. Even if you run with 1280-byte MTUs everywhere so you'd think path MTU discovery wouldn't be needed, this can still cause problems with IPv6-to-IPv4

Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-09 Thread David Freedman
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 9 feb 2011, at 18:30, David Freedman wrote: (yes, even ICMP TOOBIG can be filtered safely if you have designed things in a sane way) NO. Even if you run with 1280-byte MTUs everywhere so you'd think path MTU discovery wouldn't be needed, this can still

Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-09 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 9, 2011, at 9:50 AM, David Freedman wrote: Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 9 feb 2011, at 18:30, David Freedman wrote: (yes, even ICMP TOOBIG can be filtered safely if you have designed things in a sane way) NO. Even if you run with 1280-byte MTUs everywhere so you'd think path

Re: Too bigs are sacred, was: Re: IPv6 addressing for core network

2011-02-09 Thread David Freedman
Unless every packet you emit is ¾ the minimum MTU (1280), then, you need to be able to receive TOOBIG messages. Can you think of a packet type I will emit from my publically numbered backbone interface which may solicit a TOOBIG that I'll have to care about? I can only think of three cases,