Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

I'm not disabled (any more than being 58 years old makes you), but I know lots of people who are. And procmail still works just fine, I'm told. Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - > From: "Fred Baker" > To: "Warren Kumari" > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2023 4:28:43

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

It’s been absurd for a while now…Sent using a machine that autocorrects in interesting ways...On Oct 6, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Warren Kumari wrote:On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with CMAS/WEA

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 2:58 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with > CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican > house and republican senate, in 2006. > > The dozens of disability groups helped design the

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

The Disability Advocacy Community has been extensively involved with CMAS/WEA since President Bush signed the WARN Act, passed by a republican house and republican senate, in 2006. The dozens of disability groups helped design the sound and vibration cadence (which is different than EAS),

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

While I agree with the thrust of what Sabri is saying, let's not delude ourselves - this is not a freedom of speech/"1st amdt." issue. The freedom of the press does not mean the government is obligated not to favour given presses (to include its own). That one's religion - freedom of religion

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 6:15 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: If this is true, and I will take your word for it, that is outrageous. Why is this outrageous? My wife is a teacher who works with special needs kids, and her phone went of twice (the second time 15 minutes after the first). This was very disruptive

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 12:14, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. That surprises me. Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use? Is

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

- Original Message - > From: "Sean Donelan" > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: >>> Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what >>> happened in Hawaii. >> >> For the national alert you can't.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. For the national alert you can't. That's intentional. Although for some reason my silenced phone

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

> > This > whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's > first amendment rights. > You are certainly free to criticize the system or the implementation, but nothing about this is a First Amendment issue. Just don't. On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 7:16 PM Sabri Berisha

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- On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: > Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: >> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I >> remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of >> the EAS and there was supposedly no way to

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: > Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what > happened in Hawaii. For the national alert you can't. That's intentional. Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the alert, it popped up

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was part of the message header in the message being sent out. Thanks for the clarification.  ^_^ Yep. That's why countries with a Prime Minister (or monarch or both) were

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: > > Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess > the > > US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; > > (Samsung Galaxy phone) > > Yeah, Samsung is bad about

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue? At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado).

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: > I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I > remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of > the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of > turning your device off. IIRC it is mandated that the

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: > Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) > filtering / lack of data issue? At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado). I would expect the Presidential Alert

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, at 15:09, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > > I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in > the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and > there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off. > > My

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan > wrote: >> >> Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones >> sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone) Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few months old) products.

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I think this is what he was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert Apparently we don't "all remember". On 10/4/2023 1:39 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Inter-agency bureaucracy. FEMA is part of Homeland Security. National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department. Different departments of the government. Weather radios will active for a White House issued alert from the President. NOAA doesn't activate weather radios for FEMA

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On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones > sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are > global. The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" > recently.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, nanog08 wrote: Move?  ...  :-) Off planet? All countries in the European Union, plus at least 35 other countries around the world, have or will soon implement their county-specific version of Emergency Mobile Alerts. Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. That surprises me. Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use? Is

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts. I'm in a similar situation. Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

My watch and phone went off neither Streaming TV nor any of my computers displayed anything. On 10/4/23 13:38, Joe Klein wrote: Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR. Joe Klein "inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ ---

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency. Everytime you turn off a mobile device, it clears the cache of previous alerts. You will receive the

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

There are dozens of WEA alerts every day, 365x7 days a year. If you leave a hidden burner phone turned on the other 364 days a year, it will make a noise from something else. Software mute buttons never mute everything. Some groups use once a year events to get publicity for their causes

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Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency. > On Oct 4, 2023, at 14:42, Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: >> I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. > > Unless

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Move?  ...  :-) On 10/4/23 12:21, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Hi, This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators. So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but exclude NOAA weather radios? -A On Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:24 PM GMT, Sean Donelan

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Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding a burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up dangerously high when jumpscared). The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to unfortunately use this affordance, if

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. Phones check the serial number for recently received alerts. Or so Android and iOS developers claim. If you are getting duplicate

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina wildfires. Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of public

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR. Joe Klein "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been." -- *Wayne Gretzky "I

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I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. Ryan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

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My watch went off. scared the beejeebus out of me -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Sabri Berisha Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2023 2:21 PM To: Sean Donelan Cc: nanog Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC) WARNING: This message

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Hi, > This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something > for ISPs and network operators. So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety

U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators. The wireless portion of the national test is scheduled 2 minutes (2:18pm EDT or 1818 UTC) before the main broadcast test at 2:20. Mobile phones usually receive the alert about a minute