* wo...@pch.net (Bill Woodcock) [Wed 21 Aug 2013, 21:04 CEST]:
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On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:27 AM, William F. Maton Sotomayor
wma...@ottix.net wrote:
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My anxiety lies with the future: Given everything that's already
been written, are any of these IXPs capable of becoming
self-sustaining in
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.netwrote:
Indeed. I think that ISPs who understand their business model well
enough to understand the effect the IXP will have on their
average-per-bit-delivery-cost is essential. I think it's also essential
that they have
On 23/08/13 09:56, Mark Leonard wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote:
What CIRA is doing is providing support in the areas where previous
efforts have struggled, providing hardware, accounts payable, legal, help
with incorporation and forming sensible
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From: Bill Reid [mailto:b...@mbix.ca]
Sent: August-23-13 11:55 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet
On 23/08/13 09:56, Mark Leonard wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote:
What CIRA is doing is providing support in the areas
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet
On 23/08/13 09:56, Mark Leonard wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote:
What CIRA is doing is providing support in the areas where previous
efforts have struggled, providing hardware
On 8/23/2013 1:30 PM, Jacques Latour wrote:
Bill, not true.
Following on our vision for Canada to have an IXP in every major city,
specifically for Calgary, CIRA worked with CYBERA to organize a town hall
meeting in Calgary, on September 14, 2013. At the meeting, we had interested
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:06 AM, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote:
On 8/21/13 6:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
but how do you represent seattle colonolizing bc?
keep your potatoes out of my pig.
Ugh. Suddenly your talk of potatoes in pigs
makes colon-olizing seem almost meaningful
I think CANIX in Toronto has been dead for years. I used to operate the switch
for it in my days at UUNET in the 90s.
In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1?
On 2013-08-20, at 23:14, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote:
On Aug 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Christopher Morrell
On 2013-08-21, at 6:40, Christopher Morrell
christopher.morrell.na...@gmail.com wrote:
I think CANIX in Toronto has been dead for years. I used to operate the
switch for it in my days at UUNET in the 90s.
Yes, very dead.
In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1?
Peer1
In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1?
Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least,
that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked.
that is not an exchange. most isps have switches in their transit
infrastructure.
randy
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote:
You named 2 IXPs, and only got one right. A year ago, there were two
active: TORIX in Toronto, and OTTIX in Ottawa. Ottawa is too close to
Toronto to have an impact, so OTTIX has remained small. Having only 2 open
That's not entirely accurate.
the poutine :-)
From: Bill Woodcock [wo...@pch.net]
Sent: August 20, 2013 11:14 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet
On Aug 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Christopher Morrell
christopher.morrell.na...@gmail.com
On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1?
Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least,
that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked.
that is not an exchange. most isps
Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are things
that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be
exchanges.
glad it's all so black and white, well grey. :)
as i use an old fashioned mail reader, it's all
(set-foreground-color navajo white)
to me.
On 8/21/13 6:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
but how do you represent seattle colonolizing bc?
keep your potatoes out of my pig.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War
randy
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Randy Bush wrote:
In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1?
Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least,
that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked.
that is not an exchange. most isps have switches in their
On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are things
that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be
exchanges.
glad it's all so black and white, well grey. :)
When different people are
At 10:21 AM 21/08/2013, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote
The Peer1 setups remind me very much of what Group Telecom (defunct
Canadian backbone provider) did in the very late 90's and the very
early part of the last decade. They had them in nearly every city
they had their facilities, but the
New IXP founders typically contact our staff
wow! i did not know we had the ixp god here! lemme go back to my
camera-ready dreadline. :)
- Three or more participants
- Shared layer-2 switch fabric across which participants peer with
each other, exchanging customer routes
- New
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest could run a
non-member driven exchange point successfully as long as they had pricing and
policies that were similar to member driven exchange points.
Vey interesting that you
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
New IXP founders typically contact our staff
wow! i did not know we had the ixp god here! lemme go back to my
camera-ready dreadline. :)
- Three or more participants
- Shared layer-2 switch fabric across which
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:10:32PM -0400, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest
could run a non-member driven exchange point successfully as long
as they had pricing and policies that
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Randy Bush wrote:
and i would add carrier neutrality, i can haul fiber from anyone into
the exchange. this is pretty critical in the exchanges where i have
played.
Facility neutrality especially. If the IXP is inside a non-neutral DC,
it and its peers are always under
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:10:32PM -0400, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest could run
a non-member driven exchange point successfully as long as they had
pricing and policies that
- Original Message -
From: Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net
On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are
things
that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be
exchanges.
glad it's
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
IIRC, Albuquerque has NMIX which I think was setup as for-profit. (John
Brown are you still here?) Well over a decade ago now, my recollection is
fuzzy. I don't recall the reasoning in choosing for-profit over
nont-for-profit.
[NMIX
At 01:15 PM 21/08/2013, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
Facility neutrality especially. If the IXP is inside a non-neutral
DC, it and its peers are always under constant threat of being
squeezed out or shutdown by any number of circumstances. If the
co-lo business were separate from the
I would hope that at least the 3 largest cities in Canada (Toronto, Montreal,
Vancouver) should be able to sustain IXPs.
Hopefully Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg too considering the size of their
populations and their distance from the largest 3 cities.
On 2013-08-21, at 13:27, William F.
Omnibus reply warning. Skip this one unless you're really into IXP trivia.
On Aug 21, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
- New participation is not too rigorously constrained (at least a
domestic ISP new market entrant should be able to participate)
imiho, it is also nice
Hi Randy,
On 2013-08-20, at 01:05, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to
establish new IXPs.
wow! i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ...
The TorIX has been the most significant exchange point with growth and
are these open, neutral, ixps, a la six etc? or big players trying to
save the internet from itself?
would some of the *local* providers in the areas who actually use the
cira ixen care to report on the experience?
ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on
the
On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on
the up and up and doing good professional work.
haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so sinister and nefarious...
On 08/20/2013 09:52 AM, Harald Koch wrote:
On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on
the up and up and doing good professional work.
haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so sinister and nefarious...
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Harald Koch c...@pobox.com wrote:
On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on
the up and up and doing good professional work.
haha. yes, because Canadians are normally so
On August 20, 2013 at 11:12 alte...@alter3d.ca (Peter Kristolaitis) wrote:
On 08/20/2013 09:52 AM, Harald Koch wrote:
On 20 August 2013 09:05, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
ok, i have heard privately from folk who i respect. cira seems to be on
the up and up and doing good
At 02:36 PM 20/08/2013, Barry Shein wrote:
US Senator Ted Cruz just renounced his Canadian (dual w/ US)
citizenship.
I'm just saying.
My take on Canada? Quiet...too quiet...
So we can count him with the likes of Conrad Black? :D
--
-Barry Shein
The World |
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to
establish new IXPs.
wow! i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ...
Canada is geographically enormous. Long-haul transit is therefore costly,
and
The old generation QIX (in Montreal) has been around a long time as an IXP
where commercial players have been present. It was managed and operated by RISQ
(a research network) but most of the members were commercial.
The new generation of QIX is managed much like TorIX and continues to be
On Aug 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Christopher Morrell
christopher.morrell.na...@gmail.com wrote:
In Winnipeg, isn't there also the WPGIX? Do you have two competing IXPs in
Winnipeg?
There are nominally competing efforts in Winnipeg (MBIX and WPGIX), Calgary
(YYCIX and AlbertaIX), Montreal (QIX
As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to
establish new IXPs.
wow! i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ...
are these open, neutral, ixps, a la six etc? or big players trying to
save the internet from itself?
would some of the *local* providers in the
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