Owen DeLong wrote:
Right, but a better approach would have been for the FCC to say If you don't
build fiber, you won't keep getting USF money.
The FCC failed to look at the public interest and got rolled by the RBOCs again.
Owen
Regulatory capture. Nobody is immune. The only effective
applying unbundling rules.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM
To: John T. Yocum
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was ATT diversity)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum
-Original Message-
From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM
To: John T. Yocum
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was ATT diversity)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum
john.yo...@fluidhosting.com
Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com writes:
Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
recycled/put to good use.
To put some numbers with this statement (which I agree with btw):
OSP cable is commonly available composed of 19 AWG, 22 AWG, 24 AWG,
and 26 AWG pairs. 19 and 26 are
- Original Message -
From: Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com
I found scrap pricing for telco (obviously the contaminant ratios
out there are different for different types of copper) at $1.20/pound,
which may or may not be current, but if you figure a single pair of
#24 is probably
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote:
Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com writes:
Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
recycled/put to good use.
To put some numbers with this statement (which I agree with btw):
OSP cable is commonly
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of
course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part and replace
it
From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com
wrote:
Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com writes:
Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
recycled/put to good use.
To put some numbers with this
William Herrin b...@herrin.us writes:
That depends on the cost of recovering it. We're not talking about
salvage operators pulling cable, we're talking about highly trained
[sic] Verizon installers.
The last 4 pairs in use on that 3000 count cable will tend to linger a
long, long time
- Original Message -
From: Eric Wieling ewiel...@nyigc.com
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
copper infrastructure. If
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Eric Wielingewiel...@nyigc.com
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies from providing service by leasing
On 3/21/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Eric Wielingewiel...@nyigc.com
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents
On 03/21/2012 12:28 PM, John T. Yocum wrote:
On 3/21/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Eric Wielingewiel...@nyigc.com
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ
-Original Message-
From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:16 PM
To: Jay Ashworth
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was ATT diversity)
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Eric
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com
VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to
maintain, and it requires that they sell service to competitors.
Once they've disconnected their customers from it, they can just
eliminate the copper plant. POTS
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:00:32 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
Someone tells me off list that indeed, if the plant isn't *there*, VZN
isn't required to build it.
Now, if that's the case, then they can't adminstratively block *someone
else* from building it, either...
Yes, but it's assymetric. VZN
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
copper infrastructure. If
- Original Message -
From: William Herrin bill@her
The hinky part is that the FCC decided that copper pairs are an
unbundled element but PONS wavelengths and Coaxial cable frequency
channels are not. So, Verizon doesn't have to share access to FIOS and
Comcast doesn't have to share
On 3/21/2012 1:56 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: William Herrinbill@her
The hinky part is that the FCC decided that copper pairs are an
unbundled element but PONS wavelengths and Coaxial cable frequency
channels are not. So, Verizon doesn't have to share access
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM, John T. Yocum
john.yo...@fluidhosting.com wrote:
That's probably a local requirement. It's not a Federal requirement. Though,
some cable companies do provide wholesale services even when not required.
Bingo.
On the flip side of the equation, if you want to be
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum
john.yo...@fluidhosting.com wrote:
VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to maintain, and
As opposed to fiber plant which is indestructible and cheap to maintain?
Well, if VZ owns the copper, if it's not being used to provide a
My understanding was that fiber loops were originally included in UNE products
available to clecs but several years ago the FCC modified the regulations to
remove them.
So, if a service can be provisioned over a copper loop, a clec can offer it,
but the ilec doesn't have to share fiber loops
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