Any Verizon IP engineers lurking on this list that can contact me about
a recurring and chronic IPv6 routing issue in the upstate NY Verizon
FIOS network. Getting feedback from several customers that have valid
IPv6 PD from FIOS but routing is broken 2-3 hops out in Verizons
network. This is
Furst rule of dealing with $CABLECO — If you don’t like the answer you get on
this phone call, redial. The next person will probably give you a different
answer. Certainly you can almost always get the answer you are looking for
(even if it’s wrong) within 5 calls if you are that patient.
Owen
On 7/21/2015 4:05 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:13:48 -0400, Curtis Maurand
cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote:
At least in Maine where I am, TWC does allow you to bring your own
modem as long as it's DOCSIS 3 compliant and there's lots of those
from motorola, netgear and others.
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:13:48 -0400, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com
wrote:
At least in Maine where I am, TWC does allow you to bring your own modem
as long as it's DOCSIS 3 compliant and there's lots of those from
motorola, netgear and others. You're not stuck with the Ubee.
You are
On 7/20/2015 5:59 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:45:43 -0400, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote:
For now, all the customers with the Ubee in bridge mode are SOL. It's
not clear what the reason is, but Ubee in bridge mode with IPv6 is
listed on the road map. If that's intentional
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 06:45:43 -0400, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote:
For now, all the customers with the Ubee in bridge mode are SOL. It's
not clear what the reason is, but Ubee in bridge mode with IPv6 is
listed on the road map. If that's intentional policy or that the
firmware isn't ready
Ricky Beam schreef op 18-7-2015 om 1:14:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 06:25:26 -0400, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
mean that your UBee has to do dhcpv6? (or the downstream thingy from
the UBee has to do dhcpv6?)
The Ubee router is in bridge mode. Customers have ZERO access to the
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Andrew Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote:
I had to beat up on ATT quite a bit, but instead of letting them make
notes, escalate to tier-2 because you can't reach work. Explain that you
must have IPv6 to reach work to the tier-2. If they won't help demand to
be
I had to beat up on ATT quite a bit, but instead of letting them make
notes, escalate to tier-2 because you can't reach work. Explain that you
must have IPv6 to reach work to the tier-2. If they won't help demand to
be escalated further. Your time on the phone costs them money.
On Sat, Jul 18,
The best way to complain is to simply move the service to another
provider (when possible). 50 bucks a month of revenue to them is not worth
the hassle of having a tech user asking for all sorts of non-standard
configs. It shouldn't be that way, but that's how it usually goes. Think
about it,
On 7/17/15, 6:25 AM, Christopher Morrow christopher.mor...@gmail.com on
behalf of morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
Business Class DOCSIS customers get a
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
Business Class DOCSIS customers get a prefix automatically (unless you
provide your own gateway and DHCPv6 isn¹t enabled).
doesn't the last paranthetical
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 06:25:26 -0400, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
mean that your UBee has to do dhcpv6? (or the downstream thingy from
the UBee has to do dhcpv6?)
The Ubee router is in bridge mode. Customers have ZERO access to the
thing, even when it is running in
On 7/13/15, 3:43 PM, NANOG on behalf of Ricky Beam
nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:32:33 -0400, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is
actively engaged in the community, as
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
Business Class DOCSIS customers get a prefix automatically (unless you
provide your own gateway and DHCPv6 isn¹t enabled).
I looked last night at the office in Cary, NC. NO RAs are seen on the link
coming from the Ubee
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 20:38:13 -0700
Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:35:35PM -0400, John Peach wrote:
and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I
can send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having
Hmm, I just recently
From: Mel Beckman [mailto:m...@beckman.org]
David,
Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net?
We couldn't get the desired throughput via HE tunnel. We tried it, then
switched to v6 through VPN using a slice of our own allocation, but
ultimately didn't want that overhead
On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mel Beckman m...@beckman.org wrote:
David,
Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net?
Tunnels work, but they really are getting old. I have run 3ffe:: 6bone, HE
tunnels, and (currently) aiccu. They all work very reliably, and I have
immense
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:06:56 -0700
Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
From: John Peach
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:02 AM
smtps was deprecated years ago and is not implemented in postfix,
hence the need for stunnel. I should have said they don't implement
STARTTLS on either 25 or
From: John Peach
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:02 AM
smtps was deprecated years ago and is not implemented in postfix, hence
the need for stunnel. I should have said they don't implement STARTTLS
on either 25 or 587.
Oh, ok; I assumed you were talking about a client, not an MTA. Why are
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:32:33 -0400, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is
actively engaged in the community, as where vz Fios is not.
Yes, because TWC-BC's IPv6 support is stellar. Sorry, I misspelled
non-existent.
Their DIA
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote:
Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at
Verizon's lack of IPv6 thread, I guess everybody is pretty much burned
out and given up 8-/. Verizon should just update their IPv6 status
page with a link to hurricane electric's
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote:
Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at
Verizon's lack of IPv6 thread, I guess everybody is pretty much burned out
and given up 8-/. Verizon should just update their IPv6 status page with a
link to hurricane electric's
David,
Did you consider running an IPv6 tunnel through HE.net?
-mel via cell
On Jul 13, 2015, at 1:46 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote:
Seems to be a lot less noise on this iteration of the shake fist at
Verizon's lack of
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 02:32:33PM -0700, Ca By wrote:
Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is
actively engaged in the community, as where vz Fios is not.
Business only understand $
Yah, cheap bastards :). I've got 50/50 fios right now; TWC can match the
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:35:35PM -0400, John Peach wrote:
and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I
can send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having
Hmm, I just recently set up my mail client to use Verizon's smtp
servers, and TLS seemed to work
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 01:31:54AM +, Mel Beckman wrote:
Just set up the tunnel. It works beautifully.
Yeah, I probably will. Shouldn't expose my bluff, but I probably won't
switch to business cable, I actually use my upstream 8-/. But I needed
to get in one last rant before I went that
On Sunday, July 12, 2015, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and
cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far as I can tell, there's been no
new official news since 2013. We're deploying IPv6 at the university I
work at, so IPv6 at
I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and
cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far as I can tell, there's been no
new official news since 2013. We're deploying IPv6 at the university I
work at, so IPv6 at home is moving from wish I had it to play with
towards need to have
The only reason I have FIOS is because they gave me a 2 year deal of
15/15 internet for $30/month. Their advertising is basically just lies
and I wouldn't hold my breath over IPv6; I have to run stunnel so I can
send email from home because they don't even use TLS. Having said
that, I have an
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Paul B. Henson wrote:
I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and
cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far as I can tell, there's been no
new official news since 2013. We're deploying IPv6 at the university I
work at, so IPv6 at home is moving from
Just set up the tunnel. It works beautifully.
And thank you, HE.net, for being such a stellar tech leader!
-mel
On Jul 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Paul B. Henson hen...@acm.org wrote:
I think it's been about a year and a half since I last looked (and
cried) at the status of FIOS IPv6. As far
I already have IPv6 on my router at home. They rolled out an update a few
months back that added the capability for the latest 802.1N model. I'm not
at home to look at it but I'll update with the model this evening.
Sincerely,
Anthony R Junk
Network and Security Engineer
(410) 929-1838
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Anthony Junk wrote:
I already have IPv6 on my router at home. They rolled out an update a few
months back that added the capability for the latest 802.1N model. I'm not
at home to look at it but I'll update with the model this evening.
Like many others, I would be
] On Behalf Of Justin M.
Streiner
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 10:58 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS IPv6
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Anthony Junk wrote:
I already have IPv6 on my router at home. They rolled out an update a
few months back that added the capability for the latest 802.1N
Does anybody have any idea on when Verizon FiOS is turning up IPv6? (dual-stack)
Thank you in advance
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Romeo Czumbil rczum...@xand.com wrote:
Does anybody have any idea on when Verizon FiOS is turning up IPv6?
(dual-stack)
looking at the archives is helpful in this question/answer process..
but to save you the digging: When there's ice in the devil's house
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 01:35:15AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Romeo Czumbil rczum...@xand.com wrote:
Does anybody have any idea on when Verizon FiOS is turning up IPv6?
(dual-stack)
looking at the archives is helpful in this question/answer process..
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I've heard all sorts of BS answers as to why there is no v6 for FIOS,
Step 1. Ask an ALU sales droid about their IPv6 support on PON
Step 2. Be disappointed by the answer
Step 3. Stroke chin or beard thoughtfully
My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well.
At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about
business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6,
and I also
IP's on business
connections; that's just a matter of how much you pay and how many you need.
David
-Original Message-
From: Tristan Lear [mailto:trissypi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:45 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
My strategy, should I remember
and how
many you need.
David
-Original Message-
From: Tristan Lear [mailto:trissypi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:45 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 09:18:08PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience.
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to
be precious little movement over there.
* David Hubbard (dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com) wrote:
Good
27, 2014 1:45 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as
well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read
rumors about business class
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote:
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to
be precious little movement over there.
it really is just an embarrassment :(
Oh, I agree,
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote:
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote:
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to
be precious little
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net
wrote:
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net
wrote:
There's
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Bryan Seitz wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 09:18:08PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience.
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to
be precious little movement over there.
I've been fighting this
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Tristan Lear wrote:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static
IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home.
I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their
phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard
On Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:03:13 AM Justin M. Streiner
wrote:
My guesses for the foot-dragging, re: v6 deployment on
FiOS: 1. Can't get their set-top boxes working on it
yet. One customer service rep told me this. I didn't
feel up to starting the whole what's wrong with
dual-stack?
* Geert Bosch (bo...@adacore.com) wrote:
On Jan 8, 2014, at 17:03, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I have a tunnel through HE and it is solid.
[...]
--- .gnat.com ping6 statistics ---
20 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:41:30 -0500, Stephen Frost said:
I'm really curious how *that* is working out. My IPv6 tunnel is only a
ms or two slower than IPv4 (and it's all sub-15ms), but there is
something very odd if the tunnel is *faster*. Have you tried working
out where the difference is
* valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (valdis.kletni...@vt.edu) wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:41:30 -0500, Stephen Frost said:
I'm really curious how *that* is working out. My IPv6 tunnel is only a
ms or two slower than IPv4 (and it's all sub-15ms), but there is
something very odd if the tunnel is
On Jan 9, 2014, at 14:32, Stephen Frost sfr...@snowman.net wrote:
Sure, entirely possible, but I'd be investigating into why because
clearly there's a better ipv4 route than that being used, if ipv6
tunneled over ipv4 is faster. A bit of difference is fine, but it
sounded like more than 'a
On 1/7/14, 11:10 PM, Adam Rothschild a...@latency.net wrote:
I should probably add that there was a real router plugged into the
ethernet port on the ONT, given a lack of support in the ActionTec
code ...
Interestingly, I have one of the later-generation ActionTecs, and VZ
pushed a software
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, George, Wes wrote:
Interestingly, I have one of the later-generation ActionTecs, and VZ
pushed a software update to it at some point and it sprouted IPv6 config.
I noticed the same thing on my router several months ago, but when I
called to see if I could get IPv6 turned
The only major ISP that I seen so far that has rolled out is Comcast. Been
probing the TW Cable people for months to see what their plans are for IPv6
in Ohio and all I have gotten is a million different stories.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Justin M. Streiner
strei...@cluebyfour.orgwrote:
On 1/8/14 9:34 AM, Brian Henson marin...@gmail.com wrote:
The only major ISP that I seen so far that has rolled out is Comcast. Been
probing the TW Cable people for months to see what their plans are for
IPv6
in Ohio and all I have gotten is a million different stories.
TWC Ohio (residential
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote:
I've read in some forums that there are pockets of FiOS users with IPv6
running. I've seen LLA on ActionTec modems. Something tells me that they
will sneak up on us with a sudden deployment.
would be grand if they'd let folk
My actiontec router has had that IPv6 page for a while now. I'm 20
minutes outside NYC. However when I enable it, I still don't get a
broadband IPv6 address in the System Monitoring tab.
On 1/8/2014 8:26 AM, George, Wes wrote:
On 1/7/14, 11:10 PM, Adam Rothschild a...@latency.net wrote:
I
From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:02 PM
If you find the answer, you win the prize.
Can the prize be the Verizon employees that should have been keeping us in
the loop on this in a dunk tank ;)?
I've tried shaking numerous trees
From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:a...@latency.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:10 PM
Sorry, yes, that is correct: one way to get IPv6 FIOS at the home is
to escalate through your (701/VZB) account team.
Hmm, I actually have business FIOS at home (static IP highway robbery
grumble), and
I've been barking at them for a couple years now, I never get much.
They're good about staffing their front line support with flowchart
monkeys. My internet facing device is constantly listening for any sort of
indication that native IPv6 is starting up, but never hears anything. So I
rock HE
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Ian Bowers wrote:
So I rock HE like many of you. It works pretty well, and I'm, guessing
I get a lot more address space via HE than VZ would give me.
I have a tunnel through HE and it is solid.
Verizon states on their What is IPv6? page that they will provide a /56
to
From: Ian Bowers [mailto:iggd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:31 AM
indication that native IPv6 is starting up, but never hears anything. So
I
rock HE like many of you. It works pretty well, and I'm, guessing I get a
lot more address space via HE than VZ would give me.
I
though to avoid the messier setup, throughput (although HE
is very good on that front too), latency, etc.
-Original Message-
From: Paul B. Henson [mailto:hen...@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:29 PM
To: 'Ian Bowers'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
I don't
an additional /48 per tunnel just by requesting it.
Owen
-Original Message-
From: Paul B. Henson [mailto:hen...@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:29 PM
To: 'Ian Bowers'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
I don't remember where I saw it, I believe
On Jan 8, 2014, at 17:03, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote:
I have a tunnel through HE and it is solid.
I'm on Verizon FIOS (70/30 Mbit/s), and set up my ActionTec router
to allow tunneling traffic through, but am using my Apple TimeCapsule
base station (3 years old) for the
So I was curious, has anyone managed to penetrate the black hole that
appears to be surrounding any actual details on Verizon FIOS IPv6
deployment? Their last official announcement indicated they would start
deploying it in 2012, and clearly that didn't happen. I've been asking on
and off
have absolutely no clue. It's really quite annoying. Even a
wait 24 months would be better than nothing at all.
-Original Message-
From: Paul B. Henson [mailto:hen...@acm.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:57 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
So I was curious, has
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 PM, David Hubbard
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
We have fios for some office locations and can't get jack out of our
sales rep; just the same well it's being tested bs. It's as if the only
... snip...
Fios folks have absolutely no clue. It's really quite
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 10:13:38PM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 PM, David Hubbard
dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote:
We have fios for some office locations and can't get jack out of our
sales rep; just the same well it's being tested bs. It's as if the
I've heard of folk in and around the NYC metro getting set up for v6
by escalating through their commercial account teams, or the field
service managers who went out to their homes to supervise their
early-adopter [X]GPON ONT installations. This isn't to say the
process was particularly easy or
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Adam Rothschild a...@latency.net wrote:
I've heard of folk in and around the NYC metro getting set up for v6
by escalating through their commercial account teams, or the field
'commercial account teams' == business customers?
service managers who went out to
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I've heard of folk in and around the NYC metro getting set up for v6
by escalating through their commercial account teams, or the field
'commercial account teams' == business customers?
Sorry, yes, that is
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Adam Rothschild a...@latency.net wrote:
I've heard of folk in and around the NYC metro getting set up for v6
by escalating through their commercial account teams, or the field
'commercial account teams'
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Paul B. Henson wrote:
So I was curious, has anyone managed to penetrate the black hole that
appears to be surrounding any actual details on Verizon FIOS IPv6
deployment?
If you find the answer, you win the prize.
I've tried shaking numerous trees (front-line customer
You fared better than I did. I also am a Verizon Business customer,
and when I called and inquired about ipv6 I was told that they didn't
carry that channel. :)
Andrew Fried
andrew.fr...@gmail.com
On 1/7/14, 11:28 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.li...@gmail.com) wrote:
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