On 03/03/2015 08:07 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
I'm not done collecting all of our data yet, but just looking at what we
have right now (~17,000 APs) over half of the clients connected have an
upload rate of 5mbps or less. A just over 20% have an average upload rate
of 1mbps.
BTW, the reason we're
I wasn't being funny. :-)
That was about a quarter to a third of a /wonderful/ #takethat to the *AA...
On April 23, 2015 10:17:51 AM EDT, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
Sorry, I know I get long-winded. That's why I don't post as much as I
used
to. ;-)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay
Sorry, I know I get long-winded. That's why I don't post as much as I used
to. ;-)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it, or
should I?
:-)
On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy
It's amazing, really.
Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file sharing
peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks, by order(s) of
magnitude. The amount of peer-to-peer traffic is not even significant in
comparison. It might as well be IRC from our
There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it, or should
I?
:-)
On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
It's amazing, really.
Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file sharing
peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic
- Original Message -
From: Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com
Those are measured at the campus boundary. I don't have visibility inside
the school's network to know who much intra-campus traffic there may be .
but we know that peer-to-peer is a small percentage of overall Internet
traffic
: James R Cutler [mailto:james.cut...@consultant.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 8:51 AM
To: Frank Bulk
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
Neutrality]
Frank,
Are your measurements taken at the campus boundary or within the campus
network
On 02/27/2015 02:14 PM, Jim Richardson wrote:
What's a lawful web site?
Paragraphs 304 and 305 in today's released RO address some of this.
The wording 'Unlawful transfers of content and transfers of unlawful
content' is pretty good, and covers what the Commission wanted to cover.
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:48:31 -0400
From: lo...@pari.edu
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Unlawful transfers of content and transfers of unlawful content
(was:Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality)
On 02/27/2015 02:14 PM, Jim Richardson wrote:
What's a lawful web site
Many other organizations who were innovating will be affected by the new
rules. Many of those organizations are very small and cannot afford the
army of lawyers that Verizon can.
Judgements as to whether Net Neutrality helps or harms any specific
industry will be inevitably guided by politics.
On Mar 10, 2015, at 06:21 , Kelly Setzer kelly.set...@wnco.com wrote:
Many other organizations who were innovating will be affected by the new
rules. Many of those organizations are very small and cannot afford the
army of lawyers that Verizon can.
Such as? Can you provide any actual
Barry,
First, I want to apologize. I (badly) misread your email, but in case I
should not have responded that way. I would have gotten this out sooner,
but I was traveling back from the CableLabs conference.
Second, my assertion is simply that Usenet servers aren't automagically
symmetrical
They want to bang on about the ruling harming innovation and
competition. My response: Well, you were neither innovating nor
competing as is, so no harm done.
Frank,
Are your measurements taken at the campus boundary or within the campus network?
I remember the confusion when Centrex was first introduced at UMich. The
statistic there that confounded was call durations wildly exceeding models, but
mostly within the campus, not to the outside world.
Statement on Net
Neutrality]
snip
Averages hide the peak demands. The last mile should handle the
peak demands. Further upstream you get the over subscription
savings. Looking at averages and saying that they define the needs
limits is *bad* engineering. For POTS you would get a few hertz
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb
drives.
I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their
computer labs, open before classes start. Ice never heard of a school
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
On 04/03/2015 16:26, Dave Taht wrote:
A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a
kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common.
And, it is truly amazing how many households have
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Chuck Church chuckchu...@gmail.com wrote:
Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed,
figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part,
uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general
On 04/03/2015 16:26, Dave Taht wrote:
A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a
kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common.
And, it is truly amazing how many households have more than one device
per person nowadays.
and $kid running a
On 03/03/2015 08:07 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
For consumers to care about symmetrical upload speeds as much as you're
saying why have they been choosing to use technologies that don't deliver
that in WiFi and LTE?
For consumers to have choice, there must be an available alternative
that is
I meant that on the Internet as a whole it is unusual for such speeds to
actually be realized in practice due to various issues.
8-10Mb/s seems to be what one can expect without going to distributed
protocols.
Really? I have 2 x VDSL (40/10) to my house, running MLPPP. I can get a
fttc in uk works great for client code push remote installs , even faster than
some offices since the fibre nodes are less contended.
seen 18mb up work fine and sustained with voip in parallel as well
colin
Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Mar 2015, at 16:20, Tim Franklin t...@pelican.org wrote:
I
Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
were asserting.
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the
pattern I predicted.
On Mar 2, 2015 3:46 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Anything based
/em shrug
I can't help it if you don't like real world data.
On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
were asserting.
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet
From: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
/em shrug
I can't help it if you don't like real world data.
On Mar 3, 2015 2:25 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Ok, then I no longer have any confidence that I understand what you
were asserting.
Generally when someone says they don't
In message camrdfrwreb_ne1zqg73v1jfxftgrppnnbiksd9wo8esek13...@mail.gmail.com
, Scott Helms writes:
I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb
drives.
I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their
computer labs, open before classes
On 03/02/2015 09:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
Just tell that to your child that has to submit a assignment before
midnight or get zero on 20% of the year's marks. There are plenty
of cases where uploads are time critical there are also time where
it really doesn't matter.
That's what USB thumb
imho this two staments are true:
- tomorrow a new product or service on the Internet can completely
change the ratio download/upload
- most probably, this will not happen
It may take a few days (hours for early adopters) for a new service to
become popular on the Internet, that make a intensive
On 3/2/2015 11:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
If the network supported it this would be typical of a household with
teenagers. People adapt their usage to the constraints presented. That
doesn't mean they are necessarially happy with the constraints. Don't
take lack of complaints as indicating
Barry Shein wrote:
Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
changes to the protocol or human behavior.
We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
On March 1, 2015 at 16:13 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
On 01/03/2015 03:41, Barry Shein wrote:
On February 28, 2015 at 23:20 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
there were several reasons for asymmetric services, one of which was
commercial. Another was that most
On 03/02/2015 03:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Mar 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote:
...it would be really nice to have 7Mb/s up for just a minute or ten
so I can shut the machine down and go to bed.
How much of your downstream bandwidth are you willing to give up in order
On Mar 2, 2015, at 15:40 , Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote:
On 03/02/2015 03:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Mar 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote:
...it would be really nice to have 7Mb/s up for just a minute or ten so I
can shut the machine down and go to bed.
How
I don't usually chime in on the list, but since this seems to be another
hot item, i'll pitch in my $0.005 (since the $$ has been going up these
days).
IIRC the entire reason we have asymmetry to begin with is because it was
created to resolve an issue with older ADSL hardware. I believe the
In message 000101d05567$74b58530$5e208f90$@gmail.com, Chuck Church writes:
Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download
speed, figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the
most part, uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the
general
That's fine and very practical and understandable.
But it's no reason for the net not to keep marching forward at its own
pace which I think is more what's being discussed.
I'm pretty sure that prior to 2007 (year of the first iphone launch)
not many people were clamoring for full, graphical
Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed,
figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part,
uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general (as in 99% of
the ) public. Uploading a bunch of facebook photos, you hit
San Jose is most certainly not a pure coax network and is HFC.
HSD does mean High Speed Data.
On Mar 2, 2015 3:26 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Not so sure about that…
240.59.103.76.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR
c-76-103-59-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.
is most definitely a business class
Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
changes to the protocol or human behavior.
We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM,
Odd how the graphing for the top 1000 Usenet servers showed exactly the
pattern I predicted.
On Mar 2, 2015 3:46 PM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
changes to the protocol or human behavior.
We ran
Personally?
If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.
That way my uploads would take even less time.
It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long each event takes,
and backing up 4GB of files off-site shouldn't have to take an hour.
On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
Daniel,
The sold speeds are all actually less than the actual speeds. The PON
customers are slightly over provisioned and the DOCSIS customers are over
provisioned a bit more.
On Mar 2, 2015 10:01 AM, Daniel Taylor dtay...@vocalabs.com wrote:
What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to
On 03/02/2015 06:22 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote:
I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
People don't miss what they have never had.
I would agree with that statement in a slightly modified form:
People don't miss
Daniel,
For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and
customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical bandwidth 24 mbps
and have for a number of years.
We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the same
on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts. The same is
That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to understand is
that for most of the technologies we use for broadband there simply is less
upstream capacity than downstream. That upstream scarcity means that for
DSL, DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream
Hostnaming is not always straightforward, as there are variations of
commercial service (some with static IPs, others with dynamic, some
enterprise, branch office, SMB, etc.).
FWIW:
24.7.48.153 c-24-7-48-153.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
24.10.217.142 c-24-10-217-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net
I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
People don't miss what they have never had.
On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to
understand is that
On 02/27/2015 04:49 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
My point is that the option should be there, at the consumer level.
Why? What's magical about symmetry? Is a customer better served by
having a 5mbps/5mbps over a 25mbps/5mbps?
What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?
Statistically speaking, those might *be* symmetric.
On 03/02/2015 08:41 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Daniel,
For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and
customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 11:58:34AM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote:
business vs consumer edition products? (that'd be my bet)
I think these are all residential customers, as business customers
appear to use different subdomains and/or host naming conventions, e.g.:
24.7.48.153
My apologies for the implication.
I meant that on the Internet as a whole it is unusual for such speeds to
actually be realized in practice due to various issues.
8-10Mb/s seems to be what one can expect without going to distributed
protocols.
On 03/02/2015 09:06 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Aled Morris al...@qix.co.uk
To: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:17:33 AM
Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
That's certainly true and why we watch the trends of usage very closely and
we project those terms into the future knowing that's imperfect.
What we won't do is build networks based purely on guesses. We certainly
see demand for upstream capacity increasing for residential customers, but
that
On 2 March 2015 at 14:41, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote:
We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the same
on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts. The same is true when we look at 50/50 versus
50/12 accounts.
perhaps because there are no widely-deployed applications that
On 02/28/2015 05:46 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
Home users should be able to upload a content in the same amount
of time it takes to download content.
This.
Once a week I upload a 100MB+ MP3 (that I produced myself, and for which
I own the copyright) to a cloud server. I have a reasonable ADSL
...@world.std.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
Message-ID: 32d3c16d-0f4d-45ba-99f8-d41fe23d4...@mnsi.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Yes, so when cable modems were introduced to the network, they had to be
designed to work
Can we stop the disingenuity?
Asymmetric service was introduced to discourage home users from deploying
commercial services. As were bandwidth caps.
One can argue all sorts of other benefits of this but when this started that
was the problem on the table: How do we forcibly distinguish
On 02/28/2015 07:33 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:34 AM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
[...]
Until yesterday, there were no network neutrality rules, not for spam or for
anything else.
There still aren't any network neutrality rules, until the FCC makes
the documents
I was an ISP in the 1990s and our first DSL offerings were SDSL
symmetric services to replace more expensive T-1 circuits. When
we got into residential it was with SDSL and then the consumers
wanted more downstream so ADSL was invented. I was there, I
know this.
So
Average != Peak.
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
instantaneous moment in time. What matters is
On 03/02/2015 09:20 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Average != Peak.
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
It is likely not to change when people don't have the available upload to
begin with. This is compounded by the queue problems on end devices.
How many more people would stream to twitch or youtube or skype if they didn't
have to hear this, Are you uploading? You're slowing down the download!
::AWG:: Strawman Alert!
Nobody's talking about taking poor Erlang behind the barn and shooting him.
We're talking about being able to send upstream at a reasonable/comparable
rate as downstream.
Mike
Exactly, now you see the dilemma. What is reasonable/comparable? Is it
On 28-Feb-15 21:55, Barry Shein wrote:
On February 28, 2015 at 17:20 na...@ics-il.net (Mike Hammett) wrote:
As I said earlier, there are only so many channels available.
Channels added to upload are taken away from download. People use
upload so infrequently it would be gross negligence on the
Naslund, Steve wrote:
Average != Peak.
What is peak? There is a question for you. If we get all the way down to the
fundamentals of any network, peak is always 100%. There is either a bit on the
wire or not. Your network is either 100% busy or 100% idle at any
instantaneous moment in
On 03/02/2015 09:33 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
A. Me - Hey genius, why don't you download a movie about networks
because my upload does not affect your streaming movie download
except for the insignificant amount of control traffic in the
opposite direction.
Unless there is significant
Unless there is significant stupidly-done bufferbloat, where the
insignificant amount of control traffic in the opposite direction is delayed
because the big blocks of the upload are causing a traffic jam in the upstream
pipe.
Which has nothing at all to do with the asymmetry of the circuit
That's simply wrong - at least for folks who do any work related stuff at home.
Consider: I've just edited a large sales presentation - say a PPT deck with
some embedded video, totaling maybe 250MB (2gbit) - and I want to upload that
to the company server. And let's say I want to do that 5
Naslund, Steve wrote:
That's simply wrong - at least for folks who do any work related stuff at home.
Consider: I've just edited a large sales presentation - say a PPT deck with some
embedded video, totaling maybe 250MB (2gbit) - and I want to upload that to the
company server. And let's
Not so sure about that…
240.59.103.76.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR
c-76-103-59-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.
is most definitely a business class service from Comcast. Seems to match the
entry for 24.7.48.153 pretty closely.
I think the difference is the type of cable network in the particular
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:25 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
In article 20150301124846.ga16...@gsp.org you write:
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from
Frank was the most vocal…
the biggest cidr deployment issue was hardware vendors with “baked-in”
assumptions about addressing. IPv6 is doing the same thing with its /64
nonsense.
/bill
PO Box 12317
Marina del Rey, CA 90295
310.322.8102
On 1March2015Sunday, at 13:37, David Conrad
As I said above, retail customers. Business customers get static IPs and
generaly no blocking.
Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
I'm in a T-W area, haven't checked Comcast's prices lately. But if you
don't have a static IP, it's a poor idea to try
On 3/1/15 1:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
It was the combination of asymmetric, no or few IPs (and NAT), and
bandwidth caps.
let's not rewrite history here: IPv4 address scarcity has been a thing
since the very early 1990s. Otherwise why would cidr have been created?
CIDR had nothing to do
In article 20150301124846.ga16...@gsp.org you write:
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very)
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Mar 1, 2015, at 14:01 , John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not
On Mar 1, 2015, at 17:58 , John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
As I said above, retail customers. Business customers get static IPs and
generaly no blocking.
Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
I'm in a T-W area, haven't checked Comcast's prices
In article 54f32f1a.9090...@meetinghouse.net you write:
Scott,
Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?
There's always a lot more
It was the combination of asymmetric, no or few IPs (and NAT), and
bandwidth caps.
let's not rewrite history here: IPv4 address scarcity has been a thing
since the very early 1990s. Otherwise why would cidr have been created?
CIDR had nothing to do with address scarcity. CIDR was invented
On 02/28/2015 07:55 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
And given lousy upload speeds the opportunities to develop for example
backup services in a world of terabyte disks is limited. At 1mb/s it
takes approx 100,000 seconds to upload 1TB, that's roughly one week,
blue sky.
If that terabyte drive holds
On 02/28/2015 07:55 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
And given lousy upload speeds the opportunities to develop for example
backup services in a world of terabyte disks is limited. At 1mb/s it
takes approx 100,000 seconds to upload 1TB, that's roughly one week,
blue sky.
If that terabyte drive
On 1 March 2015 at 03:41, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote:
Previously all residential service (e.g., dial-up, ISDN) was
symmetrical.
The rot set in with V.90 56k modems - they were asymmetric - only the
downstream was 56k. The only way to achieve this in the analogue realm was
by
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 08:03:28PM -0500, John R. Levine wrote:
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX spam
from Comcast customers:
Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2015
at 05:25:41PM -0600 Quoting Jack Bates (jba...@paradoxnetworks.net):
On 2/27/2015 5:09 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote:
What people want, at least once thay have tasted it, is optical
last mile. And not that PON shit
Yes, so when cable modems were introduced to the network, they had to be
designed to work on the EXISTING infrastructure which was designed to deliver
cable TV. It's not some conspiracy to differentiate higher priced business
services - it was a fact of RF technology and the architecture of the
Aled Morris wrote:
Sadly we don't have many killer applications for symmetric residential
bandwidth, but that's likely because we don't have the infrastructure to
incubate these applications.
Come to think of it, if USENET software wasn't so cumbersome, I kind of
wonder if today's social
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX spam
from Comcast customers:
Well, it's supposed to be blocked, according to people I've talked
On 3/1/15, 4:44 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX
spam
from Comcast customers:
fairly certain that none of these folk block port 25 on their business
customer links.
Bingo! Yes, commercial customers do run
On Mar 1, 2015, at 14:01 , John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US
currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. (Very) recent direct-to-MX spam
from Comcast
In article 54f3d78a.5080...@satchell.net you write:
On 03/01/2015 05:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
That's also true for Charter. I know of one ISP offering DSL that gives
its customers static addresses. Only one. That
On 03/01/2015 01:44 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
fairly certain that none of these folk block port 25 on their business
customer links.
Correct as far as Charter goes. Particularly for people with dedicated
IP addresses, as I do. I can't speak for DHCP address space.
On 3/1/15 7:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Scott,
Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?
The most densly connected relays by
On 03/01/2015 05:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Business customers only get static from Comcast if they pay extra for it.
That's also true for Charter. I know of one ISP offering DSL that gives
its customers static addresses. Only one. That doesn't mean there
aren't more that do.
Hey Barry - you ran some rather huge NNTP servers, back in the day, you
have any comments on this?
Scott Helms wrote:
Miles,
Usenet was normally asymmetrical between servers, even when server
operators try to seed equally as being fed. It's a function of how a
few servers are the source
On 02/28/2015 06:15 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
Michael,
You should really learn how DOCSIS systems work. What you're trying to
claim it's not only untrue it is that way for very real technical
reasons.
I'm well aware. I was there.
Mike
On Feb 28, 2015 6:27 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com
@nanog.org
mailto:nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:14:18 PM
Subject: Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
Neutrality
You do of course realize that the asymmetry
On 03/01/2015 08:19 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
Michael,
Then you understand that having the upstreams and downstreams use the
same frequencies, especially in a flexible manner, would require
completely redesigning every diplex filter, amplifier, fiber node, and
tap filters in the plant. At
Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
changes to the protocol or human behavior.
We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM, Miles Fidelman
Scott,
Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment?
Miles Fidelman
Scott Helms wrote:
Anything based on NNTP would be
On 01/03/2015 03:41, Barry Shein wrote:
On February 28, 2015 at 23:20 n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) wrote:
there were several reasons for asymmetric services, one of which was
commercial. Another was that most users' bandwidth profiles were massively
asymmetric to start with so it
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