Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-30 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message aanlktikaibkwc3r2ijkhpyhb=i+acyn_ht7jgthth...@mail.gmail.com, Ryan Hayes ryguill...@gmail.com wrote: Can you please not use the word retarded in a pejorative sense? Obviously not a Colbert fan. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/09/colbert-sarah-palin-is-a_n_454744.html

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Darren Bolding
for the OT noise. Erik - Original Message - From: Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com To: William Pitcock neno...@systeminplace.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:17:45 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? Hi William, I

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Loránd Jakab
On 09/28/2010 10:15 PM, Erik L wrote: I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same issues and that at least some folks might have useful comments. An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread John Levine
We have proper A+PTR records on the edge MTAs, proper SPF records for the originating domain, proper Return-Path and other headers, and so on. There isn't anything that I can think of other than the content itself which would be abnormal, and obviously the content is repetitive and can't be

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Erik L wrote: Received-SPF: pass ... Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass ... So the problem is unlikely to be a SPF issue, as mentioned in my first e-mail. http://david.woodhou.se/why-not-spf.html The lack of SPF records should never be the reason to block an email. It's about

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Benjamin Billon
Have you tried DKIM signing? All email sent from Gmail is DKIM signed, so they probably also support checking it and a valid signature may lower your spam score. DKIM is definitively a must have for gmail. At least this isn't Hotmail where mail is just silently deleted with no NDR after it's

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Erik L
. Erik - Original Message - From: John Levine jo...@iecc.com To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: erik list erik_l...@caneris.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:58:28 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? We have proper A+PTR records on the edge MTAs, proper

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Erik L
such records. - Original Message - From: Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net To: nanog nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:11:43 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? Erik L wrote: Received-SPF: pass ... Authentication-Results

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/29/2010 11:48, Erik L wrote: Thanks John. This was a common question that was asked off-list. That edge MTA is not used and has never been used by anything/anyone other than us. No customer mail flows or has flowed in or out via it ever. As I mentioned in my follow-up post, the issue

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Joe Sniderman
: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? Hi William, I do so for our entire IP space on a regular basis. The edge MTA I mentioned in the reply to Bill shows up as Neutral there. Ok, but there are a couple customer IP's that show up as Poor there, with rDNS

AW: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread André Görmer
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: John R. Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. September 2010 21:49 An: Erik L Cc: nanog@nanog.org Betreff: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? As I mentioned in my follow-up post, the issue at this point

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Erik L
Message - From: Joe Sniderman joseph.snider...@thoroquel.org To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:29:10 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? On 09/29/2010 12:05 AM, Erik L wrote: Google appears to have blacklisted our domain. From

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Erik L
No - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:51:49 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? On 9/29/2010 11:48, Erik L wrote: Thanks John. This was a common question

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-29 Thread Ryan Hayes
Can you please not use the word retarded in a pejorative sense? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com wrote: I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same issues and that at least some folks might have useful comments.

What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same issues and that at least some folks might have useful comments. An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all of our OSS/BSS mail is getting spam filtered

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com wrote: An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all of our OSS/BSS mail is getting spam filtered by Google. Among others, these e-mails include invoices, order confirmations, payment

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, Have you checked the IronPort reputation scores for your mailserver IPs? Google uses this data as part of it's spam detection method. William On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 16:15 -0400, Erik L wrote: I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com wrote: An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all of our OSS/BSS mail is getting spam filtered by Google. Among others

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
, September 28, 2010 6:06:49 PM Subject: Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering? Hi, Have you checked the IronPort reputation scores for your mailserver IPs? Google uses this data as part of it's spam detection method. William On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 16:15 -0400, Erik L