RE: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-08-01 Thread John van Oppen
: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:31 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not? On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Trying to sort through the marketecture and salesman speak and get a definitive answer. I figure the NANOGers

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-08-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:31 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not? On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Trying to sort through the marketecture and salesman speak and get a definitive answer. I figure the NANOGers would

XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Charles Mills
Trying to sort through the marketecture and salesman speak and get a definitive answer. I figure the NANOGers would be able to give me some input. Is XO Communications a Tier 1 ISP? I'd say no based on all research and googling that I've done but they seem to meet some of the criteria (some

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Is XO Communications a Tier 1 ISP? ... Any help here? Thanks as always. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network -- Pekka Savola You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds. Systems

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Is XO Communications a Tier 1 ISP? ... Any help here? Thanks as always. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network Having written a good portion of that page, in the interest of full disclosure

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Trying to sort through the marketecture and salesman speak and get a definitive answer. I figure the NANOGers would be able to give me some input. Is XO Communications a Tier 1 ISP? Do the best of my knowledge, no. The definition of 'Tier 1

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:47AM -0400, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: [snip] Do the best of my knowledge, no. The definition of 'Tier 1' is something of a moving target based on who you ask, but the most commonly stated criteria I've seen over the

Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Joe Provo wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:47AM -0400, Justin M. Streiner wrote: 1. The provider does not buy IP transit from anyone - all traffic is moved on settlement-free public or private interconnects. That's not to say that the provider doesn't buy non-IP

RE: XO - a Tier 1 or not?

2009-07-28 Thread Hiers, David
: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:26 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: XO - a Tier 1 or not? On Jul 28, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Charles Mills wrote: Is XO Communications a Tier 1 ISP? ... Any help here? Thanks as always. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network Having