RE: airFiber

2012-04-02 Thread Dylan Bouterse
What published specs have you seen on the airFiber latency? I asked one of the UBNT guys and they said it's microsecond. On any network I've managed, anything sub 1ms is acceptable. Dylan -Original Message- From: John van Oppen [mailto:jvanop...@spectrumnet.us] Sent: Saturday, March

Re: airFiber

2012-04-02 Thread Josh Baird
I was told to expect 0.1ms by UBNT. Haven't seen this published, though. Josh On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: What published specs have you seen on the airFiber latency? I asked one of the UBNT guys and they said it's microsecond. On any network

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Marshall Eubanks
...@puck.nether.net, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Subject: RE: airFiber I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:45 PM To: Eugen Leitl Cc

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Andrew McConachie
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Subject: RE: airFiber I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Claim: 1.4 GBit/s over up to 13 km, 24 GHZ, @3 kUSD/link price point. http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber Claims are actually Up to 1.4 Gbps and Up to 13 km; those two conditions probably cannot be satisfied together. 1.4 Gbps

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread ML
On 3/31/2012 6:12 AM, Andrew McConachie wrote: Is this any different than what GigaBeam tried before they went bankrupt. http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=177145 Their website only shows a control panel login now so I think they've gone completely out of business. The only

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/31/2012 6:14 AM, ML wrote: Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where wired side link follows wireless link. To me that never seemed like a good idea because I need to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation. Maybe if there was an OOB

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Michael Loftis
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 7:14 AM, ML m...@kenweb.org wrote: Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where wired side link follows wireless link.  To me that never seemed like a good idea because I need to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation.  

Re: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Often such a feature is an option within the radio configuration. Where wired side link follows wireless link. To me that never seemed like a good idea because I need to get into the radio during a wireless link-down situation. Maybe if there was an OOB ethernet port it could work but

RE: airFiber

2012-03-31 Thread John van Oppen
We actually have a lot of the old gigabeam radios in service, they are faster than the published specs of the airfiber links (1G full duplex vs 750 mbit/sec fd) and lower latency due to their very simplistic design. To be honest, from a network engineering standpoint, the gigabeams were

RE: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Dylan Bouterse
as it's millimeter wavelength. That coupled with the fact it is a directional PTP product, you will be able to get a good amount of density of 24GHz PTP links using the same frequency in a small area (downtown for instance). Another point, the GPS on the airFiber will also allow for frequency

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
interference to your backhaul and you've got serious issues. You possibly have downgraded service or no service at many towers involving lots of customers. Another point, the GPS on the airFiber will also allow for frequency reuse to a point. I would like to see smaller channel sizes though. I hear

RE: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-30 Thread Mark Gauvin
: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video) On Mar 30, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: A couple of thoughts. First, it's not fair to compare 24GHz to 2.4 or even 5Gig range due to the wave length. You will get 2.4GHz bleed through walls, windows, etc. VERY close to a 5GHz transmitter you

Re: airFiber

2012-03-30 Thread Rodrick Brown
) FLSPEED x106 From: Drew Weaver drew.wea...@thenap.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Subject: RE: airFiber I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes

airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
Claim: 1.4 GBit/s over up to 13 km, 24 GHZ, @3 kUSD/link price point. http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 06:34:21PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: Claim: 1.4 GBit/s over up to 13 km, 24 GHZ, @3 kUSD/link price point. http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber Yeah, I got this note the other day. I am very interested in hearing about folks experience with this hardware once

RE: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Drew Weaver
I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:45 PM To: Eugen Leitl Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: airFiber On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 06

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Phil Regnauld
Drew Weaver (drew.weaver) writes: I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew Define perfect line of sight ? How is this different from any other wireless link and the associated Fresnel zone ?

Re: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Josh Baird
They are taking pre-orders now for a (hopefully) June delivery. I'm at a conference now and got the rundown yesterday from Ubiquiti. This product was designed completely from the ground up by the former Motorola Canopy 100 team. It -should- deliver ~700mbit in both directions @ full duplex.

RE: airFiber

2012-03-29 Thread Nick Olsen
, March 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Subject: RE: airFiber I've read that it requires perfect line of sight, which makes it sometimes tricky. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Gordon Cook
On Mar 29, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Josh Baird wrote: Anyhow, check the video out on ubnt.com for an introduction and technical overview - it's worth watching. The claim is a huge decline in the cost of backhaul bandwidth for wisps between 10 and 100 times. I have just finished the preparation of

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Greg Ihnen
possible that the competitor's product which matches AirFiber is only penny more, which it's not, but that's all one could logically conclude from UBNT's statement - for the same price you get a lot more bandwidth _not_ how much more you'd have to spend to get that performance level from

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Oliver Garraux
with what you're saying. Ubiquiti's take on it seemed to be that 24 Ghz would likely never be used to the extent that 2.4 / 5.8 is. They are seeing 24 Ghz as only for backhaul - no connections to end users. I guess point-to-multipoint connections aren't permitted by the FCC for 24 Ghz. AirFiber

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Anurag Bhatia
to be that 24 Ghz would likely never be used to the extent that 2.4 / 5.8 is. They are seeing 24 Ghz as only for backhaul - no connections to end users. I guess point-to-multipoint connections aren't permitted by the FCC for 24 Ghz. AirFiber appears to be fairly highly directional. It needs

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
point-to-multipoint connections aren't permitted by the FCC for 24 Ghz. The whole point of these unlicensed bands is that their usage is not tightly controlled. I imagine hardware for use still should comply with FCC's part 15 rules though. AirFiber appears to be fairly highly directional

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Joel jaeggli
guess point-to-multipoint connections aren't permitted by the FCC for 24 Ghz. The whole point of these unlicensed bands is that their usage is not tightly controlled. I imagine hardware for use still should comply with FCC's part 15 rules though. AirFiber appears to be fairly highly

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: Cost will continue to drop, fact of the matter is the beam width is rather narrow and they attenuate rather well so you can have a fair number of them deployed without co-channel interference. if you pack a tower full of

Re: airFiber (text of the 8 minute video)

2012-03-29 Thread Owen DeLong
connections aren't permitted by the FCC for 24 Ghz. AirFiber appears to be fairly highly directional. It needs to be though, as each link uses 100 Mhz, and there's only 250 Mhz available @ 24 Ghz. It also sounded like there was a decent possibility of supporting licensed 21 / 25 Ghz spectrum