Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-23 Thread Anton Kapela
What about Modular DOCSIS 3.0 deployments with external timing sources between the QAM and CMTS A CMTS DS payload is formatted as an MPEG TS (it even has PIDs; however, no PCR). This in turn establishes cadence for associated downstream devices (eg. they sync to whatever is within allowable

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-23 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Jan 21, 2011 6:49 PM, Pete Carah p...@altadena.net wrote: On 01/21/2011 04:29 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, January 21, 2011 04:23:52 pm Michael Holstein wrote: Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? Yep; and many of the aftermarket GPS receivers commonly used for the disciplined clock for

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-23 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com Most of the brand name GPS NTP solutions have a clock with is more than stable enough to survive without GPS lock for 45 minutes(*). Some of the more expensive units with temperature controlled oscillators have

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-23 Thread Day Domes
Sex On Jan 21, 2011 12:32 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: It is unclear from this NOTAM whether this is an intentional perturbation of the satellite signals vs. a terrestrial transmitter (my money is on the latter), but it illustrates why one might want geographically

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-22 Thread Brandon Ross
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Gary E. Miller wrote: For non pilots, RAIM is an indicator that the GPS has a redundant solution that matches the barometrically measured altitude. I know this is off topic, but I don't like to let incorrect information float around uncorrected. RAIM never uses any

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-22 Thread Peter Lothberg
On 1/21/11 2:26 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu writes: I'd be curious to see what effects (if any) those who use GPS-disciplined NTP references in Southeastern Georgia see from this experiment. Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? NTP

anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
It is unclear from this NOTAM whether this is an intentional perturbation of the satellite signals vs. a terrestrial transmitter (my money is on the latter), but it illustrates why one might want geographically dispersed time sources on one's network, as well as why the current trend towards

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Jack Carrozzo
As I understand it, they're trying to get the WAAS sat back online and working properly after it went on walkabout some time ago. It's currently in a nonstandard orbit while they work on it. I suppose it's just pure speculation that they'd only be working on the WAAS service since the NOTAM

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:35:32PM -0500, Jack Carrozzo wrote: As I understand it, they're trying to get the WAAS sat back online and working properly after it went on walkabout some time ago. It's currently in a nonstandard orbit while they work on it. I suppose it's just pure speculation

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 1/21/2011 9:31 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: It is unclear from this NOTAM whether this is an intentional perturbation of the satellite signals vs. a terrestrial transmitter (my money is on the latter) I'm not sure how you'd get increasing radius with altitude from anything but a jammer

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Jack Carrozzo
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: Nahh, that was the western WAAS sat, IIRC. This is...Something Else Entirely. Ahh, my mistake. Sitting in the back now, -Jack Carrozzo

RE: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Matlock, Kenneth L
- From: Jack Carrozzo [mailto:j...@crepinc.com] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:40 AM To: Majdi S. Abbas Cc: Robert E. Seastrom; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia? On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Majdi S. Abbas m...@latt.net wrote: Nahh

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Gary E. Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo All! On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Matthew Kaufman wrote: I'm not sure how you'd get increasing radius with altitude from anything but a jammer near sea level. Agreed. One of these tests was recently run in Utah and we saw the effects in Central

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Gary E. Miller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo All! On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Matthew Kaufman wrote: I'm not sure how you'd get increasing radius with altitude from anything but a jammer near sea level. Agreed. One of these

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Matlock, Kenneth L matlo...@exempla.org writes: Probably related to: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/faa-warns-of-ongoing-gps-issues-in-so utheastern-us-due-to-defens/ Sounds like they're doing 'tests' on GPS near SE Georgia. Yes, very likely related considering that the map from the

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Michael Holstein
I'd be curious to see what effects (if any) those who use GPS-disciplined NTP references in Southeastern Georgia see from this experiment. Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Regards, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Most of the brand name GPS NTP solutions have a clock with is more than stable enough to survive without GPS lock for 45 minutes(*). Some of the more expensive units with temperature controlled oscillators have hold times in the many weeks. My guess is

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Cutler James R
On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Michael Holstein wrote: I'd be curious to see what effects (if any) those who use GPS-disciplined NTP references in Southeastern Georgia see from this experiment. Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Regards,

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Cutler James R
On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Most of the brand name GPS NTP solutions have a clock with is more than stable enough to survive without GPS lock for 45 minutes(*). Some of the more expensive units with temperature controlled

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu writes: I'd be curious to see what effects (if any) those who use GPS-disciplined NTP references in Southeastern Georgia see from this experiment. Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Sure, and there are

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com writes: NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Most of the brand name GPS NTP solutions have a clock with is more than stable enough to survive without GPS lock for 45 minutes(*). Some of the more expensive units with temperature controlled

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread James Brown
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Sure, and there are GPS-steered Rb clocks in telco-land too as well as a ton of stuff I don't know about yet until everyone else here chimes in; it's just that NTP is highly visible to NANOGers. What about Modular

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 1/21/11 2:26 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu writes: I'd be curious to see what effects (if any) those who use GPS-disciplined NTP references in Southeastern Georgia see from this experiment. Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? NTP isn't

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: NTP isn't going to be the only ripple. Most of the brand name GPS NTP solutions have a clock with is more than stable enough to survive without GPS lock for 45 minutes(*). Some of the more expensive units with temperature controlled

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com writes: Sure, and there are GPS-steered Rb clocks in telco-land too as well as a ton of stuff I don't know about yet until everyone else here chimes in; it's just that NTP is highly visible to NANOGers. if your high quality stratum one time source isn't capable

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, January 21, 2011 04:23:52 pm Michael Holstein wrote: Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? Yep; and many of the aftermarket GPS receivers commonly used for the disciplined clock for NTP originally came from that service (Agilent/HP Z3801 and Z3816, for instance).

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Pete Carah
On 01/21/2011 04:29 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, January 21, 2011 04:23:52 pm Michael Holstein wrote: Aren't CDMA BTS clocked off GPS? Yep; and many of the aftermarket GPS receivers commonly used for the disciplined clock for NTP originally came from that service (Agilent/HP Z3801 and

Re: anyone running GPS clocks in Southeastern Georgia?

2011-01-21 Thread Peter Beckman
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Firstly (idle curiosity) - does anyone have further publicly divulgable details on what's apparently a terrestrial jammer test or maybe an operational exercise involving the Bermuda Triangle and making planes and ships disappear... My first