best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:29:15AM -0600, Sam Hayes Merritt, III wrote: Creating a standard on what to put in WHOIS/DNS for dynamic/static/infrastructure would make a lot of sense, seems nobody is doing it though. As previously noted in this thread, msulli...@sorbs did a fairly good job

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 07:54 AM, Steven Champeon wrote: In a nutshell, if you're not clearly indicating mail sources as mail sources, don't expect great deliverability. If you're running a Web hosting shop and don't have rate-limited outbound smarthosts, expect all your clients' mail to be suspected of

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 08:11:18AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: I'd say that Mikael Abrahamsson's sentiment (or at least the way I read it) would be a better start: take a step back and ask what the problem is. Well, as I see it, the problem is a widespread and systemic failure to prevent

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 4b211da6.9000...@mtcc.com, Michael Thomas writes: On 12/10/2009 07:54 AM, Steven Champeon wrote: In a nutshell, if you're not clearly indicating mail sources as mail sources, don't expect great deliverability. If you're running a Web hosting shop and don't have rate-limited

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message4b211da6.9000...@mtcc.com, Michael Thomas writes: To Crocker's point though: if IETF came up with a way to publish your network's dynamic space (assuming that's The Problem!), would operators do that? Or is this another case where the energy

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-12-10, at 16:42, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: The way to do this is to put other data in the ip6.arpa/in-addr.arpa and stop trying to infer things from the PTR records. Sigh. What is the this to which you refer? I think Mark means the

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/10/2009 09:06 AM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2009-12-10, at 16:42, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/10/2009 08:38 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: The way to do this is to put other data in the ip6.arpa/in-addr.arpa and stop trying to infer things from the PTR records. Sigh. What is the this to which

Re: best practices for PTR naming and whois (was, sadly, Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers)

2009-12-10 Thread Steven Champeon
on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:27:44AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/10/2009 09:06 AM, Joe Abley wrote: I think Mark means the question of whether a particular address is statically-assigned or dynamically-assigned, but... Which assumes that that's the question that actually needs to be