economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Dave Hart
AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. For example, NASA has AS23 among others, and does not use 23. Could they help fund a Mars

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Sebastian Spies
Hi Dave, On 17.11.2011 15:53, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering or attracting customers. Could

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:53:26PM +, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers. BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much. On the other hand, a low AS number can't hurt at the human level when negotiating peering

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Kevin Loch
Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. I have heard first hand stories of folks being offered 5 figures for

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Keegan Holley
Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. 2011/11/17 Kevin Loch kl...@kl.net Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 15:22, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: In a message written on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 02:53:26PM +, Dave Hart wrote: I recognize there's no practical shortage of AS numbers.  BGP's preference for low AS numbers doesn't come into play much.  On the other hand, a

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Dave Hart wrote: AS path geeks: At the risk of invoking ire and eliciting comparisons to the widely-reviled and growing practice of selling IPv4 addresses, I'm wondering if anyone has sold legacy AS numbers for quick cash. For example, NASA has AS23 among

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 17:32, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: ARIN policy does not currently support the transfer of AS numbers in this manner. IMHO, it shouldn't, but, there is a policy proposal to do so. I suggest that anyone interested in

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread David Conrad
On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 10:21 17/11/2011 -0800, David Conrad wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Keegan Holley
2011/11/17 David Conrad d...@virtualized.org On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity. You are

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Richard Irving
/lurk Since AS1 (BBNPLANET) was bought for around 666 million way back when, as I recall.. your 1k purchase would be -outstanding-. lurk On 11/17/2011 01:55 PM, Keegan Holley wrote: 2011/11/17 David Conradd...@virtualized.org On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread David Conrad
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: You are discounting (pun intended) vanity and marketing. I am no longer surprised at what people will be willing to pay (sometimes astonishing amounts of) money for. I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 18:55, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better.  Also, would it really count?  What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1.  

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:55:46 EST, Keegan Holley said: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in some carrier hotel and paid 1000 bucks for AS 1. I'm not sure I'd want

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1]Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Keegan Holley
2011/11/17 Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 18:55, Keegan Holley keegan.hol...@sungard.com wrote: I suppose I can't argue with that, but anyone technical enough to know what an AS is should know better. Also, would it really count? What if I opened a small ISP in

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:30:17PM +, Dave Hart wrote: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1]Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining AS number registrations when AS42 changed hands. I suppose it's

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Owen DeLong
Updates are processed through the standard ARIN-online process like updates to any other number resources. If you want additional assistance on that, I suggest contacting the registration services help desk by phone (703-227-0660) or email (hostmas...@arin.net). I was looking for policy,

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Barry Shein
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation Assets acquired by Sun Microsystems do maybe Oracle today. -b Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2011, at 14:30, Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Dave Hart daveh...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 19:08, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: whois -h whois.arin.net 42 RFC 943: 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] [BJN1] Bruce Nemnich TMC b...@mit-mc.arpa I have no idea which registry was maintaining

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first BGP RFC is 1105 and was published in 1989.

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking Machines Corporation was formed in 1982. As far as I can tell the first

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978.

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Thu Nov 17 14:53:57 2011 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:52:33 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: economic value of low AS numbers - Original Message - From: Dave Hart daveh

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com 42 THINK-AS [BJN1] The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. I think it was abaout the time they clustered a group of nine 6-node machines. As long as they worked in base-13. As it happens, Woody

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 21:11, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: The real question is whether it was issued after HHGTTG. HHGTTG first appeared on the BBC in 1978. Thinking

Re: economic value of low AS numbers

2011-11-17 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:21:59AM -0800, David Conrad wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Keegan Holley wrote: Besides standing at the water cooler at 1:23PM on 12/3 telling AS123 jokes I'm not sure a particular AS number has any relevance or any monetary value unless there is scarcity.