Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-28 Thread Serranos
On Sep 26, 2011, at 02:23 , Manish Karir wrote: We tried to outline some of the challenges of building such a system in our NANOG52 presentation: http://www.merit.edu/networkresearch/papers/pdf/2011/NANOG52_reputation-nanog.pdf In particular see slide 4. where we tried to lay down what

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-26 Thread Gadi Evron
On 9/26/11 2:31 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: Sorry... what makes you think the problem with use of a AS-reputation systems is social and not technical? IP packets are not stamped with the numbers of any of the AS they transitted to reach your network. The IP protocol simply does not expose AS number

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-26 Thread Gadi Evron
We tried to outline some of the challenges of building such a system in our NANOG52 presentation: http://www.merit.edu/networkresearch/papers/pdf/2011/NANOG52_reputation-nanog.pdf In particular see slide 4. where we tried to lay down what we think the requirements are for a socially

general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Gadi Evron
Having run one of these in the past, when take-downs of CCs was still semi-useful, my ethos on this is problematic, however, I am as of yet undecided as to this one. An AS-based reputation system for all sorts of badness: http://bgpranking.circl.lu/ In my opinion, third-party security based

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org wrote: In my opinion, third-party security based AS-reputation systems will eventually become de-facto border filtering systems for ISPs, but that day is still not here, as that is still socially unacceptable in our circles, and

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Manish Karir
On Sep 25, 2011, at 6:31 PM, nanog-requ...@nanog.org wrote: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:37:17 +0300 From: Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: general badness AS-based reputation system Message-ID: 4e7f4aad.8020...@linuxbox.org Content-Type: text/plain

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Tom Vest
On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Manish Karir wrote: On Sep 25, 2011, at 6:31 PM, nanog-requ...@nanog.org wrote: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:37:17 +0300 From: Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: general badness AS-based reputation system Message-ID: 4e7f4aad

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Manish Karir
AS-based reputation system Message-ID: 4e7f4aad.8020...@linuxbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Having run one of these in the past, when take-downs of CCs was still semi-useful, my ethos on this is problematic, however, I am as of yet undecided

Re: general badness AS-based reputation system

2011-09-25 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
PM, nanog-requ...@nanog.org wrote: Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:37:17 +0300 From: Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: general badness AS-based reputation system Message-ID: 4e7f4aad.8020...@linuxbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format