geofeeds over is-is (was: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam)

2020-09-16 Thread Randy Bush
$ubject changed as it is now where to put the pointer [ we have email suggesting putting the geoloc pointer in dns, routing databases, ... no one has suggested bgp yet, but i assume it is coming ] > I assume that someone (entity) publishes a geo-feed > I assume that location of this feed (a

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
I have a question which might be about data flow here... I assume that someone (entity) publishes a geo-feed I assume that location of this feed (and others) is the goal of this work/draft. (I have no idea how this is done today.. aside from 1 implementation that requires a user to 'login'

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-16 Thread Carlos Friaças via NANOG
Hi, Shouldn't that be solved...? Maybe a task-force under NRO...? :-) Regards, Carlos On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, Job Snijders wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 01:52:05PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: perchance is RDAP implemented by all RIRs? Yes, but in 5 slightly different ways :-) Kind regards

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-16 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 01:52:05PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > perchance is RDAP implemented by all RIRs? Yes, but in 5 slightly different ways :-) Kind regards, Job

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-15 Thread Randy Bush
perchance is RDAP implemented by all RIRs? randy

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Randy Bush
> Radb only supports again, north america is a special snowflake. radb is a routing registry, not an allocation registry. inetnum: and NetRange: are allocation objects. if you get your address space from arin, you have to use their webby stuff to add the Comments: to the allocation object.

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 6:00 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > Would your arin approach of netrange work in all regions? > > > > no. to the best of my knowledge, other regional registries and > > independent irr registries use rpsl; i.e. inetnum: and remarks:. > Radb only supports route -route6 -aut-

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Randy Bush
> Would your arin approach of netrange work in all regions? no. to the best of my knowledge, other regional registries and independent irr registries use rpsl; i.e. inetnum: and remarks:. randy

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 5:53 PM Randy Bush wrote: > >> the edit buffer, yet to be published, has > > >> > > >>Currently, the registry data published by ARIN is not RPSL; > > >>therefore, when fetching from ARIN whois, the "NetRange" attribute/ > > >>key must be treated as "inetnum" an

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Randy Bush
>> the edit buffer, yet to be published, has >> >>Currently, the registry data published by ARIN is not RPSL; >>therefore, when fetching from ARIN whois, the "NetRange" attribute/ >>key must be treated as "inetnum" and the "Comment" attribute must be >>treated as "remarks". >> >> co

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 3:02 PM Randy Bush wrote: > the edit buffer, yet to be published, has > > > >Currently, the registry data published by ARIN is not RPSL; > >therefore, when fetching from ARIN whois, the "NetRange" attribute/ > >key must be treated as "inetnum" and the "Comment"

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-14 Thread Randy Bush
the edit buffer, yet to be published, has Currently, the registry data published by ARIN is not RPSL; therefore, when fetching from ARIN whois, the "NetRange" attribute/ key must be treated as "inetnum" and the "Comment" attribute must be treated as "remarks". comments appreciated ra

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-13 Thread Randy Bush
>> we are not expecting these lookups to be done frequently. i agree that >> would hammer servers, both rpsl and geofeed. do you have stronger words >> to suggest than >> >>5. Operational Considerations >>... >>An entity fetching geofeed data through these mechanisms MUST NOT do >>

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Yang Yu
> > Why not publish RFC8805 Geofeed directly in inetnum remarks section? > > for some flat fan out last kilometer providers that could be the > inetnum: object from hell. there are global providers which segment > large prefixes over diverse areas. etc. > > i doubt the rpsl providers would like m

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Ca By
e know this, which is why the OP $subjest was > > > > "how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam?" > > > > > I thought you might know this, and could have saved me a few hours of > > > tinkering... > > > > yikes! did not mean to

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Randy Bush
hi ca > I gave your I-D a try in the real world, and it does not work with a > major player. i.e. arin and radb, your region, which does not do rpsl as others do. we know this, which is why the OP $subjest was "how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam?" >

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Randy Bush
yang, > Why not publish RFC8805 Geofeed directly in inetnum remarks section? for some flat fan out last kilometer providers that could be the inetnum: object from hell. there are global providers which segment large prefixes over diverse areas. etc. i doubt the rpsl providers would like multi-

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Yang Yu
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:48 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > would folk familiar with the north american RIR and IRR registries be > kind enough to suggest how this might adapt? thanks. > Hi Randy, Why not publish RFC8805 Geofeed directly in inetnum remarks section? Then there is no more need to host

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Ca By
On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:13 PM Randy Bush wrote: > hi camron > > sad to say, the days of faxing around number assigments have passed. > the kiddie googlers who wrote the geofeeds rfc probably have not even > seen a fax machine. they just did not like having a hundred gnomes in > the basement de

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Randy Bush
hi camron sad to say, the days of faxing around number assigments have passed. the kiddie googlers who wrote the geofeeds rfc probably have not even seen a fax machine. they just did not like having a hundred gnomes in the basement dealing with everybody's formats. given silicon valley housing c

Re: how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-12 Thread Ca By
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:49 PM Randy Bush wrote: > would folk familiar with the north american RIR and IRR registries be > > kind enough to suggest how this might adapt? thanks. > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds-02.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Randy

how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

2020-09-11 Thread Randy Bush
would folk familiar with the north american RIR and IRR registries be kind enough to suggest how this might adapt? thanks. A new version of I-D, draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Randy Bush and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ymbk-o