Most networks have been trying to avoid that, building out a quarterly pop
thing,... problem is now its an ongoing cumulative quarterly pop across many
years, With pent up frustrated consumer demand for more and more
videoincluding face time on these apple devices!
Iridescent iPhone
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
> On 9/7/11 09:02 , Michael Holstein wrote:
>>
>>> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't be a problem is management invested based on engineering's
>> recommendations.
>>
>> There are few problems
On 9/7/11 09:37 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:28:28 PDT, Joel jaeggli said:
>
>> The way to achieve a return on invested capital is to attract and retain
>> customers who pay for a service which they find compelling.
>
> Only true if long-term returns on investment are
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:28:28 PDT, Joel jaeggli said:
> The way to achieve a return on invested capital is to attract and retain
> customers who pay for a service which they find compelling.
Only true if long-term returns on investment are suitable for consideration
instead of short-term returns.
On 9/7/11 09:02 , Michael Holstein wrote:
>
>> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
>>
>
> Wouldn't be a problem is management invested based on engineering's
> recommendations.
>
> There are few problems that money can't solve .. in this case, it's
> "sure, we
> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
>
Wouldn't be a problem is management invested based on engineering's
recommendations.
There are few problems that money can't solve .. in this case, it's
"sure, we can offer unlimited bandwidth, we just need to build (x)
--- v.jo...@networkingunlimited.com wrote:
From: Vincent C Jones
> --- br...@bryanfields.net wrote:
> From: Bryan Fields
>
> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
> -
>
> WAKE UP You're dreaming out loud... >;-)
> --- br...@bryanfields.net wrote:
> From: Bryan Fields
>
> I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
> -
>
> WAKE UP You're dreaming out loud... >;-)
Not necessarily...I've been in computer networking going on 40 yea
On 9/5/2011 22:39, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Joel jaeggli"
>
>> having customers that want to use your service is rarely a bad thing.
>
> Ask a chief engineer at a national wireless carrier who told his
> administrative
> bosses that selling "unlimited" wirele
--- br...@bryanfields.net wrote:
From: Bryan Fields
I would love a world where engineering was consulted by marketing :(
-
WAKE UP You're dreaming out loud... >;-)
scott
- Original Message -
> From: "Joel jaeggli"
> having customers that want to use your service is rarely a bad thing.
Ask a chief engineer at a national wireless carrier who told his administrative
bosses that selling "unlimited" wireless data was a Pretty Neat Idea if he
thinks that's a g
On 9/3/11 04:20 , Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have
> on the Internet.
>
> My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical
> (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload'
> obscene amount
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Wayne E Bouchard wrote:
> Okay, so to state the obvious for those who missed the point...
>
> The congestion will either be directly in front of user because
> they're flooding their uplink or towards the destination (beit a
> single central network or a set of stor
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 12:56:25PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Wayne E. Bouchard:
>
> > the users will screw themselves by flooding their uplinks in which
> > case they will know what they've done to themselves and will largely
> > accept the problems for the durration
>
> With shared media
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:38:40 EDT, Jay Ashworth said:
> Two people making the same mistake: end-user support telephone calls don't
> generally go to datacenters, do they?
Maybe they've figured out how to let an AI answer the phones. All you need is
text-to-speech, speech-to-text, and the script
* Wayne E. Bouchard:
> the users will screw themselves by flooding their uplinks in which
> case they will know what they've done to themselves and will largely
> accept the problems for the durration
With shared media networks (or insufficient backhaul capacities),
congestion affects more than j
- Original Message -
> From: "Frank Bulk"
> Subject: RE: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
> The copper technologies of DOCSIS and xDSL are well established in
> residential deployments and they are asymmetric by design. I don't think
> ne
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etc)?
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Mohacsi Janos [mailto:moha...@niif.hu]
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:07 PM
To: Skeeve Stevens
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
In my opinion. Home networking (including personal clouds) have
I'm not 100% certain and have no references to back it up but I recall
reading an article which described the Apple cloud music strategy as being
one where for existing identified music it merely stores a reference of some
kind against your account rather than actually storing an additional copy.
P
- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen"
> On 9/3/11 2:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Wayne E Bouchard"
> >
> >> and will largely accept the problems for the durration or b) (and
> >> far
> >> more likely) the links apple is using will become
On 9/3/11 2:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Wayne E Bouchard"
>
>> and will largely accept the problems for the durration or b) (and far
>> more likely) the links apple is using will become flooded or the
>> systems overloaded in some way or another in which ca
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on
the Internet.
My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL,
Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene
amounts of
On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Wayne E Bouchard"
>
>> and will largely accept the problems for the durration or b) (and far
>> more likely) the links apple is using will become flooded or the
>> systems overloaded in some way or another
- Original Message -
> From: "Wayne E Bouchard"
> and will largely accept the problems for the durration or b) (and far
> more likely) the links apple is using will become flooded or the
> systems overloaded in some way or another in which case the customers
> will say, "MAN, this *SUCKS*
If you're worried about the problem of tens of thousands of users
simultaneously trying to upload files to a "central point" then I'm
not the slightest bit concerned about the network as a whole. In this
circumstance, one of two things will happen and possibly both,
depending: either a) the users w
Op 3 sep 2011, om 19:49 heeft Jimmy Hess het volgende geschreven:
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>> My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL,
>> Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts
>> of gigs of m
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable,
> wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of gigs
> of music, tv, backups, email, photos, documents/data and so on to their data
>
I think the effect will be limited unless Apple give alot more space away for
free. there arny many iphones/pads/pods with just 5GB
Neil
On 3 Sep 2011, at 12:22, "Skeeve Stevens" wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on the
> Internet.
>
Subject: Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers? Date: Sat, Sep 03,
2011 at 10:17:40AM -0400 Quoting Jay Ashworth (j...@baylink.com):
> Gambling means that sometimes you lose. Alas, the costs won't be on
> Apple.
>
> This seems to be an ongoing situation: carriers
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:20:13 -, Skeeve Stevens said:
> My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable,
> wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of
> gigs of music, tv, backups, email, photos, documents/data and so on to their
> idata
> I'm not saying that people haven't being doing itŠ Dropbox is an exampleŠ
> but you add millions of iPads, iPhones, iPod Touches and OSX Lion's out
> there and that means a hell of a lot of new traffic.
Especially when you're at the end of a small hose. Comparatively.
What's Oz's aggregate ban
he Experts that the Experts call
- Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade
-Original Message-
From: Jared Mauch
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 08:55:44 -0400
To: Alex Rubenstein
Cc: Skeeve Stevens , "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
: Andrey Khomyakov
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 08:52:37 -0400
To: "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
>My understanding was that the whole point of iCloud is to not upload but
>rather use Apple's stored music files as long as you have them in your
- Original Message -
> From: "Skeeve Stevens"
> I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have
> on the Internet.
Aw, c'mon; what a boring Whacky Weekend thread... :-)
> So basically the potential issue is that a large residential provider
> could have thousands of
I was thinking the same thing. People have been dealing with this for years.
File sharing has had the same properties in the access networks for years now.
Jared Mauch
On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> I think is would be short term. The home user is not going to continuous
My understanding was that the whole point of iCloud is to not upload but
rather use Apple's stored music files as long as you have them in your
library. You have a valid point however with other similar services, like
amazon's. But that's been out for a while.
--Andrey
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:2
-
From: Skeeve Stevens
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sat Sep 03 07:20:13 2011
Subject: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
Hey all,
I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on the
Internet.
My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical
Hey all,
I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on the
Internet.
My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable,
wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of gigs
of music, tv, backups, email, photos, docum
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