Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Tore Anderson
* Geoff Huston http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/rir.jpg Ohh, very nice, Geoff! Thank you! A few questions, though: 1) The graph shows the most probable APNIC depletion date to be in July. However your site at http://ipv4.potaroo.net says 25-Sep-2011. What's the reason for this discrepancy?

RE: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Hain
/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.pdf http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.pdf Tony -Original Message- From: Geoff Huston [mailto:g...@apnic.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:12 PM To: Randy Bush Cc: NANOG Operators' Group Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph On 01/02/2011

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Matthew Petach
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: So in the interest of 'second opinions never hurt', and I just can't get my head around APnic sitting at 3 /8's, burning 2.3 /8's in the last 2 months and the idea of a 50% probability that their exhaustion event occurs Aug.

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 02/02/2011 17:22, Matthew Petach wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: So in the interest of 'second opinions never hurt', and I just can't get my head around APnic sitting at 3 /8's, burning 2.3 /8's in the last 2 months and the idea of a 50% probability

RE: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Hain
-Original Message- From: Vincent Hoffman [mailto:jh...@unsane.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:44 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph On 02/02/2011 17:22, Matthew Petach wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: So

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Ken Chase
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:11:48AM -0800, Tony Hain said: For some reason that viewer didn't work here, so I added jpg's to the site. http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.jpg http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.jpg 13:13 dec0de africa is where it's at 13:15

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Richard Barnes
...@unsane.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:44 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph On 02/02/2011 17:22, Matthew Petach wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: So in the interest of 'second opinions never hurt', and I just can't get my

RE: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Tony Hain
-Original Message- From: Richard Barnes [mailto:richard.bar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:44 AM To: Tony Hain Cc: Vincent Hoffman; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph Note that the ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE lines should all basically level out

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-02 Thread Owen DeLong
] http://ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2010-02.html On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Tony Hain alh-i...@tndh.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Vincent Hoffman [mailto:jh...@unsane.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:44 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last

ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Bush
with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now for each of the five rirs? gotta give us all something to repeat endlessly on lists and in presos. randy

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Tue, Feb 01, 2011, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now for each of the five rirs? gotta give us all something to repeat

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Adrian Chadd wrote: I think having a graph that reached full and stays there will be quite powerful. :) Headline material - IPv4 flatlines ... the world as we know it will come to an end :) Antonio Querubin e-mail/xmpp: t...@lava.net

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 04:10:59PM +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2011, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1 feb 2011, at 9:02, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 Enjoy this while it lasts then: http://www.bgpexpert.com/ianaglobalpool2.php

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Raymond Macharia
All manner of dooms day-like stories and headlines tomorrow..I dare predict :-) http://www.cio.co.ke/Top-Stories/address-allocation-kicks-off-ipv4-endgame.html Raymond Macharia On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.comwrote: On 1 feb 2011, at 9:02, Randy Bush

RE: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Tony Hain
. Is there really any value in trying to distribute graphs that will all be flat before the end of the year? Tony -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: Geoff Huston Cc: NANOG Operators' Group Subject: ipv4's last graph

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Arturo Servin
[mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: Geoff Huston Cc: NANOG Operators' Group Subject: ipv4's last graph with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Geoff Huston
On 01/02/2011, at 7:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now for each of the five rirs? gotta give us all something to

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Bush
FWIW: the Jan. 2011 global burn rate (outbound from the RIRs) for /24-equivlents was 18.97 seconds. At the Jan. rate, APnic won't last to June and Ripe might make to the end of August, then chaos ensues. this is not the murdoch press or fox news. i very much doubt chaos will ensue. our job

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Is there really any value in trying to distribute graphs that will all be flat before the end of the year? we're ops, often stick in the mud traditionalists and even somewhat supersitious. we've had ipv4 graphs for over 15 years. we like

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Mark Townsley
On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: On 01/02/2011, at 7:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now for each

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Scott Weeks
--- towns...@cisco.com wrote: From: Mark Townsley towns...@cisco.com On Feb 1, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Geoff Huston wrote: On 01/02/2011, at 7:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote: graphs any more. might we have one last one for the turnstiles? :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves now for each of the

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: On 01/02/2011, at 7:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote: with the iana free pool run-out, i guess we won't be getting those nice graphs any more.  might we have one last one for the turnstiles?  :-)/2 and would you mind doing the curves

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 2/1/11 1:08 PM, Randy Bush wrote: FWIW: the Jan. 2011 global burn rate (outbound from the RIRs) for /24-equivlents was 18.97 seconds. At the Jan. rate, APnic won't last to June and Ripe might make to the end of August, then chaos ensues. this is not the murdoch press or fox news. i very

Re: ipv4's last graph

2011-02-01 Thread Randy Bush
the prboability distribution with the error bars is a pretty useful tool to throw over the wall to management so that they know how long they have to get their affairs in order. i suspect it's more like most folk should save a gif so they can say i warned you, when they need a bunch of money