Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-04-10 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
I believe there is no Federal requirement that there be a Provider of Last Resort (POLR). State law might require it, but in at least some states there is possible to have areas without a POLR. At the national level the regulatory theory is that when there is sufficient competition in a market,

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-04-10 Thread Brandon Martin
On 4/10/19 1:55 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote: It seems like_someone_ has to be the CLEC and "Carrier of Last Resort" for the area. Not that that means you are going to get the service you want. Where I live, you can get AT POTS from the ILEC of record. Sometimes it even works...when their cross

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-04-10 Thread Jeff Shultz
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM david raistrick wrote: > > folks, > > I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for > longer. > > Looking at a house in a new area, at copper splice box out front, bellsouth > fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-28 Thread Mike Hammett
t; Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:28:05 PM Subject: Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667# > > You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed > wirel

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:05 PM Bryan Fields wrote: > Looking at the typical equipment used (64 QAM, 20 MHz channel), you're going > to have a raw bitrate of around 80 mbit/s. Couple this with overhead and some > inevitable interference and an access point will have about 50 mbit's of large >

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:18:02 -0400, Bradley Burch said: > Wisp here. > > Our subscribers can get 100mbps bi directional. > > But we also know what we are doing. And being honest here - what percent of WISP operators out there are in your category, as opposed to the under-capitalized and RF

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Bradley Burch
Wisp here. Our subscribers can get 100mbps bi directional. But we also know what we are doing. Technology is getting better, so speeds are getting better. > On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > >> On 3/27/19 3:30 PM, TJ Trout wrote: >> You are way out of line, and grouping

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Joly MacFie
> and CBRS is eclipsing these licensed operators shortly. Yeah what about that? https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/google-courts-wisps-tailored-cbrs-solutions -- --- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Bryan Fields
On 3/27/19 3:30 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > You are way out of line, and grouping a whole industry into your experience > with (probably) one hack I don't think I'm out of line, I'm relating what I've seen time and time again. Most WISP's are poorly capitalized and have to run extremely lean. Most

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread TJ Trout
You are way out of line, and grouping a whole industry into your experience with (probably) one hack On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:28 PM Bryan Fields wrote: > On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667# > > > > You might want to try neighboring

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Bryan Fields
On 3/27/19 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > https://broadbandnow.com/Florida/Micanopy?zip=32667# > > You might want to try neighboring ZIP codes to see what other fixed > wireless providers might be convinced to expand. > > http://svic.net/wireless-broadband-north-florida/ You really want to

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: "david raistrick" To: "NANOG List" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:41:30 PM Subject: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Mike Bolitho
> > Agreedthis is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good. > It's not like municipal fiber has some magic spell to make last mile affordable though. On OP's instance he would run into the same issue and would be paying that five figure amount to bring FTTP. Municipal fiber is only

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "david raistrick" To: "NANOG List" Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:41:30 PM Subject: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help? folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and awa

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-27 Thread Bryan Fields
On 3/26/19 10:41 PM, david raistrick wrote: > Looking at a house in a new area, at copper splice box out front, > bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but > it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT - but > the New AT apparently no longer

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread Ross Tajvar
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 12:30 AM Mike Bolitho wrote: > Agreedthis is why monopolies are bad and municipal fiber is good. >> > > It's not like municipal fiber has some magic spell to make last mile > affordable though. On OP's instance he would run into the same issue and > would be paying that

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread Joly MacFie
Is there any chance LEO operators like OneWeb etc will make a difference on this front, and, if so, when? joly On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:57 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 11:34 PM david raistrick > wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:29 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: >> >> >>> But

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread Ross Tajvar
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 11:34 PM david raistrick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:29 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > > >> But most likely you're just out of luck. >> > > it's really amazing that this is still the case, with our effectively > internet based economy now. > > Agreedthis is why

RE: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread Ray Van Dolson
term on top of an already four figure MRC. 50Mbps service in the end. Probably not worth it for most. Ray From: NANOG On Behalf Of Ross Tajvar Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:29 PM To: david raistrick Cc: North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: residential/smb internet access

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread david raistrick
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:29 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > But most likely you're just out of luck. > it's really amazing that this is still the case, with our effectively internet based economy now.

Re: residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread Ross Tajvar
This is a common problem with no good solution. Fiber buildouts are almost always insanely expensive. If you can get one at a more reasonable cost, or more likely if you can sign a contract of a sufficient length to convince the carrier to subsidize it, you may be able to get good service that

residential/smb internet access in 2019 - help?

2019-03-26 Thread david raistrick
folks, I've been away from nanog for a long time - and away from the ISP world for longer. Looking at a house in a new area, at copper splice box out front, bellsouth fiber markers as well (yes, that's usually just passing by. but it's there). Owners since '82 said the telephone company was AT