RE: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Tuesday, 15 January, 2019 12:10, James Downs wrote: >On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 06:46:07PM +0100, Tei wrote: >> Is very hard to replace a open protocol, wrapping may work if the >> protocol is mostly abandoned (IRC) but thats not the case for >> email. > IRC is far from abandonded. There

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 01/15/2019 10:46 AM, Tei wrote: I think the newsgroups died because was expensive for ISPs and filled with nasty stuff (warez and porn). I believe newsgroups are still very much so alive and quite active. I see 15k ~ 20k messages / 50 ~ 75 MB of /text/ newsgroups daily on my server. My

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread James Downs
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 06:46:07PM +0100, Tei wrote: > Is very hard to replace a open protocol, wrapping may work if the > protocol is mostly abandoned (IRC) but thats not the case for email. IRC is far from abandonded. There are lots of very active networks, 2 of which I use continously. But,

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread Tei
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 09:21, Bjørn Mork wrote: .. > open protocols, just shut off SMTP completely. They'll > probably "invent" something much better as an excuse... And the masses > will love them for that, because it finally removed the spam "problem". > > And everyone has a gmail account

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 1/15/19 12:19 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > And everyone has a gmail account anyway, so why bother with outside > email? Two words: "search warrants." I'm a US citizen, and I do NOT like the idea of power-hungry people being able to paw through my mail. Having my own mail server, residing in my

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-15 Thread Bjørn Mork
Miles Fidelman writes: > Ever since the net went commercial, we've been seeing more and more > walled gardens - driven by folks with an economic advantage to > segmenting & capturing audiences.  Whenever someone talks about how > great some new technology is, I'm always reminded to "follow the >

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 1/14/19 1:49 PM, John R. Levine wrote: And you won't really have a choice because unless you're willing to go full Ted Kaczynski one in a hundred of those emails will be very, very important to you ... Yeah.  E-mail remains the only scheme where the two parties don't have to be

Re: the e-mail of the future is the e-mail oft the past, was Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-14 Thread John R. Levine
And you won't really have a choice because unless you're willing to go full Ted Kaczynski one in a hundred of those emails will be very, very important to you ... Yeah. E-mail remains the only scheme where the two parties don't have to be introduced first, don't have to be online at the same