Verizon/UUNET AS701 blocking Tor "directory" server (IPv4 86.59.21.38)

Hi nanog mailing list, Keep in mind that I am not a practicing network engineer, although I do have interest and knowledge on networking topics. I do not work for Verizon. I subscribe to Verizon FiOS, but not Verizon Wireless or Verizon's enterprise services. The Tor "directory&qu

Re: Private Link between TOR and CHI

Just an update -- We've sourced a solution and have moved forward with it. Thanks for all the replies with vendors -- It definitely helped with the sourcing process to find vendors that service both locales :) On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Ryan Gard wrote: > Trying to

Re: Private Link between TOR and CHI

st-ix.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ryan Gard" <ryang...@gmail.com> > To: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04:40 PM > Subject: Private Link between TOR and CHI > > Trying to source some cost effective solut

Re: Private Link between TOR and CHI

Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Ryan Gard" <ryang...@gmail.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04:40 PM Subject: Private Link between TOR and CHI Trying to source some cost effective solutions or vendors tha

RE: Private Link between TOR and CHI

HE, I use them for similar applications. Best Regards, -- adam gregory -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Gard Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:05 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Private Link between TOR

Private Link between TOR and CHI

Trying to source some cost effective solutions or vendors that could provide connectivity in this scenario. Essentially I'll be looking to expand presence into Chicago, and as such, will need to source a third party to provide connectivity from 151 Front Street in Toronto to 350 Cermak in Chicago.

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

On 09/04/2015 21:54, Christopher Morrow wrote: the math on their page is 'interesting'... it's a t2 chipset. should be all forwarded at asic level, i.e. at line rate per port. Nick

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

Fairly certain thats a typo and supposed to be 960M pps :) On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: http://whiteboxswitch.com/products/edge-core-as5610-52x the math on their page

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

. These should also support 25/50G Ethernet. Phil -- From: Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com Sent: ‎4/‎8/‎2015 10:01 PM To: Furst, John-Nicholas jofu...@akamai.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch From which vendors? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

On 09/04/2015 13:30, Colton Conor wrote: So are we expecting these new switches to be the same price or cheaper than the current 40G uplinks models? Do you think the vendors will heavily discount the switches with 10G user port and 40G uplinks? like this?

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: http://whiteboxswitch.com/products/edge-core-as5610-52x the math on their page is 'interesting'... 1.28tbps throughput (which is .08 or so tbps better than 64 10g ports equivalent) 960mbps forwarding err... so for just plain

100Gb/s TOR switch

Hi, There is something like this on market ? Looking for standalone switch, 1/2U, ca 40 ports 10Gb/s and about 4 ports 100Gb/s fixed or as a module. regards, Peter

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

The Juniper QFX10002-36Q has 36 40GbE Ports. They can be broken out to up to 144 10GbE ports, or 1/3 of them can be used for 100GbE. So, if you use 6 100GbE ports and still have 72 10GbE ports. I have not seen one of these yet in person, but it is the smallest form factor I know of that has

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

I did see these switches at SC14. http://www.corsa.com/products/dp6440/ Thanks, -Roy Hockett Network Architect, ITS Communications Systems and Data Centers University of Michigan Tel: (734) 763-7325 Fax: (734) 615-1727 email: roy...@umich.edu On Apr 8, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Piotr

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

Hello Piotr, You can always take a look at : - Arista : http://www.arista.com/en/products/7280e-series - Brocade : http://www.brocade.com/products/all/switches/product-details/vdx-6940-switch/index.page HTH. BR. Le 8 avr. 2015 à 21:01, Piotr piotr.1...@interia.pl a écrit : Hi,

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

When will Tomahawk switches be available? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Marian Ďurkovič m...@bts.sk wrote: Wait for switches with BCM Tomahawk ASICs. They'll support exactly what you're looking for. M. On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:01:59 +0200, Piotr wrote Hi, There is something like

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

Wait for switches with BCM Tomahawk ASICs. They'll support exactly what you're looking for. M. On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:01:59 +0200, Piotr wrote Hi, There is something like this on market ? Looking for standalone switch, 1/2U, ca 40 ports 10Gb/s and about 4 ports 100Gb/s fixed or as a

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

If referring to cavium xpa's hitting the oem's lines, next year or so I'm guessing. Bob Watson On Apr 8, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: From which vendors? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Furst, John-Nicholas jofu...@akamai.com wrote: If you can

RE: 100Gb/s TOR switch

/‎2015 9:58 PM To: Marian Ďurkovič m...@bts.sk Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch When will Tomahawk switches be available? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Marian Ďurkovič m...@bts.sk wrote: Wait for switches with BCM Tomahawk ASICs. They'll support exactly what you're

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

From which vendors? On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Furst, John-Nicholas jofu...@akamai.com wrote: If you can wait, you will see the market flooded with 32x100G with the ability to down-clock to 40g / breakout to 4x10g in the Q3/Q4 timeframe ;) John-Nicholas Furst Hardware Engineer

RE: 100Gb/s TOR switch

Everyone. These should also support 25/50G Ethernet. Phil -Original Message- From: Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com Sent: ‎4/‎8/‎2015 10:01 PM To: Furst, John-Nicholas jofu...@akamai.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch From which vendors? On Wed

RE: 100Gb/s TOR switch

: 100Gb/s TOR switch 7700 2 slot looks to only support 1 line card, so 48x10 *or* 12x100 thanks, -Randy - On Apr 8, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Klimakhin, Kirill kirill.klimak...@corebts.com wrote: Cisco Nexus 7700 2 slot chassis supports 48 x 10 Gbps, 24 x 40 Gbps, and 12 x 100 Gbps. It is 3RU

RE: 100Gb/s TOR switch

TOR switch Hi, There is something like this on market ? Looking for standalone switch, 1/2U, ca 40 ports 10Gb/s and about 4 ports 100Gb/s fixed or as a module. regards, Peter Important Notice: This email message and any files transmitted

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

If you can wait, you will see the market flooded with 32x100G with the ability to down-clock to 40g / breakout to 4x10g in the Q3/Q4 timeframe ;) John-Nicholas Furst Hardware Engineer Office: +1.617.274.7212 Akamai Technologies 150 Broadway Cambridge, MA 02142 On 4/8/15, 3:37 PM, Hockett,

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

25/50/100 stuff should start coming out around soon, as well, which may drive pricing down even more. thanks, -Randy - On Apr 8, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Furst, John-Nicholas jofu...@akamai.com wrote: If you can wait, you will see the market flooded with 32x100G with the ability to

Re: 100Gb/s TOR switch

is N77-C7702. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Piotr Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 3:02 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: 100Gb/s TOR switch Hi, There is something like this on market ? Looking for standalone switch, 1/2U, ca 40

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Anyone have worked with the switching vendor Quanta for their 10ge switching as TOR? [1] Their spec looked interesting and they are quiet cheap. [1] http://www.quantaqct.com/en/01_product/02_detail.php?mid=30sid=114id=116qs=63 -bn 0216331C On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Nick Hilliard n

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Bao Nguyen ngq...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have worked with the switching vendor Quanta for their 10ge switching as TOR? [1] Their spec looked interesting and they are quiet cheap. [1] http://www.quantaqct.com/en/01_product/02_detail.php?mid=30sid=114id

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

with the switching vendor Quanta for their 10ge switching as TOR? [1] Their spec looked interesting and they are quiet cheap. [1] http://www.quantaqct.com/en/01_product/02_detail.php?mid=30sid=114id=116qs=63 -bn 0216331C

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 29/01/2013 11:58, Nick Hilliard wrote: None of them will do trill. The Extreme X670 and Juniper EX4550 will both do VPLS, though. The X670 won't do BGP. this is incorrect: the ex4550 will do l2vpn/l3vpn but not

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On 12/02/2013 12:09, Andrew McConachie wrote: I normally just lurk but I thought I would post to clear up the confusion. Full disclosure, I am an Extreme Networks TAC engineer. The x450 does not support any VPLS/H-VPLS/MPLS and is discontinued. It was replaced with the x460 which does

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 12/02/2013 12:09, Andrew McConachie wrote: I normally just lurk but I thought I would post to clear up the confusion. Full disclosure, I am an Extreme Networks TAC engineer. The x450 does not support any

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

W dniu 2013-02-07 22:54, Sergey Marunich pisze: Hi Peter, http://www.aristanetworks.com/media/system/pdf/Datasheets/7050S_Datasheet.pdf Arista 7050S-64 48 x 10GE + 4 x 40 GE, price around 25k$ in gpl. Large buffers, supports MLAG, DCB, wire-speed L2/L3 (OSPF,BGP), but doesn't have any kind of

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On 12/02/2013 14:23, Piotr wrote: shared 9 MB packet buffer pool that is allocated dynamically to ports that are congested 9MB is a standard size of port buffers.. That's pretty standard for a cut-thru ToR switch of this style. Cut-thru switches generally need a lot less packet buffer space

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On 29/01/2013 11:58, Nick Hilliard wrote: None of them will do trill. The Extreme X670 and Juniper EX4550 will both do VPLS, though. The X670 won't do BGP. this is incorrect: the ex4550 will do l2vpn/l3vpn but not vpls. The X480 does vpls, but not the X670. Nick

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Well, talking about HP´s A5920/A5900 series. Last time I was looking, their virtual routing instances haven´t supported IPv4 multicast, nor IPv6 multicast/unicast, nor any policy based routing. Michael

RE: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC Well, talking about HP´s A5920/A5900 series. Last time I was looking, their virtual routing instances haven´t supported IPv4 multicast, nor IPv6 multicast/unicast, nor any policy based routing. Michael

TOR fiber patch panels

I'm looking for better Top-Of-Rack fiber patch panels than the ones I've been using up to this point. I'm looking for something that is 1U, holds 12 to 24 strands of SC, ST, or LC, has fiber jumper management rings, and has a door that doesn't interfere with the U below (a server might be mounted

Re: TOR fiber patch panels

Have you looked at anything from Clear Field, just as an example something like this. http://www.clearfieldconnection.com/products/panels/fieldsmart-small-count-delivery-scd-1ru-rack-mount-cabinet-mount-panel.html On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: I'm looking

RE: TOR fiber patch panels

these days. Panduit also has some very similar parts. -Scott -Original Message- From: Josh Hoppes [mailto:josh.hop...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM To: nanog Subject: Re: TOR fiber patch panels Have you looked at anything from Clear Field, just as an example something

Re: TOR fiber patch panels

FWIW, you can get 1U 48-pair LC patch panels, or, you can get Keystone panels and LC duplex snapins. I believe Panduit, among others make these products. I've used them in the past. The snapins and the panels both expect an LC termination of the back side fiber as well. They don't provide

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Someone use this switches ? 1. Alacatel lucent omniswitch OS6900-X40 Deep packet buffers for simultaneous high-burst absorption in all ports gpl 28k$ 2. Hp 5900 af 48xg large buffer options - configurable buffers gpl 30k$ What is, exactly, buffer size ? I can't find in documentation best,

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

switching capacity and 952.32 Mpps packet forwarding rate in addition to incorporating 9 MB of packet buffers or big in 5920: High-performance 10GbE switching — enables you to scale your server-edge 10GbE ToR deployments with 24 high-density 10GbE ports delivered in a 1RU design; delivers

RE: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Cisco also now has the Nexus 6001 but I don't know of its ability to do BGP or support things like Netflow. 48x10GE+4x40GE in 1RU. Also likely doesn't have huge packet buffers. From: Piotr Sent: 1/30/2013 5:32 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC Someone use

switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Hello, I looking some 10G switches, it should work as TOR or core in DC. It should have more than 40 port 10G in one unit, wirespeed L2 L3, with virtual routers and some other ip functions like some BGP, OSPF, policy routing, 1-2U, MLAG, g.8032 (ERPS) trill-like ? Other important features

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On 29/01/2013 11:27, Piotr wrote: Extreme 670 looks good but they have small port buffers. It can be also some small chassis with line cards but the cost per 10G ports is too big.. the extreme x670, juniper ex4550, brocade ICX6550 and arista 7150 will most of this, and probably many others too.

Fwd: Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

a...@shady.org replied: Subject: Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:25:57 + From: andy a...@shady.org To: Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org CC: Piotr piotr.1...@interia.pl, nanog@nanog.org Force10's S4810 isnt bad, we use these for a 10G 48 port box that doesnt

RE: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

We use IBM networking (used to be BLADE networks) Rackswitch 8264. They will do TRILL, and have multi-chassis link aggregation, they call vLAG. We use this for cross datacenter aggregation. They do have the L3 features you are looking for and BGP as a possibility, but no full tables. It is a

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

although everyone here seems to hold Cisco in contempt, the Nexux 5548 is a rock-solid switch - at least that has been my experience with it. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Piotr piotr.1...@interia.pl wrote: Hello, I looking some 10G switches, it should work as TOR or core in DC

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

On 01/29/13 06:27, Piotr wrote: Hello, I looking some 10G switches, it should work as TOR or core in DC. It should have more than 40 port 10G in one unit, wirespeed L2 L3, with virtual routers and some other ip functions like some BGP, OSPF, policy routing, 1-2U, MLAG, g.8032 (ERPS) trill

Re: switch 10G standalone TOR, core to DC

Peter, Network visibility wasn't mentioned as a requirement, but it is worth considering since the ToR switches are the best place monitor server network I/O, tunneled traffic (VxLAN, GRE etc), storage (iSCSI, FCoE, HDFS etc). The Nexus 5548 switch does not include monitoring (i.e. no NetFlow

RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

, 2012 2:52 PM To: Jeroen van Aart Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. In most jurisdictions, wouldn't using a de-gaussing ring in the door frame to wipe any equipment being removed constitute tampering with evidence

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 11/30/2012 02:02 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote: OK, there must be a lot more paranoid people out there than I thought for awhile? I am sure he will let you out to go to the bank, get your stuff, and leave town. I think you have seen way to many movies. So if the cops show up at his door

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

In most jurisdictions, wouldn't using a de-gaussing ring in the door frame to wipe any equipment being removed constitute tampering with evidence or interfering with an investigation if the authority in question is in possession of a warrant/subpoena? On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jeroen van

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

Drifting a big off topic for NANOG (but hey, that happens every /pi/ days anyways!), but I'll toss this in... Like every other legal incident, it would be unique to your own situation. Keep in mind that, should any of the charges you mentioned go to court, the prosecution would have to prove

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:28:28 -0500, Peter Kristolaitis said: Now, having said all that... I'm not sure I'd want to pay the electricity bill for keeping that degausser running... :p An EMP device doesn't have to chew power all the time... And of course, there's this:

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

In message 34925.1355780...@turing-police.cc.vt.edu, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes: --==_Exmh_1355780734_2398P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:28:28 -0500, Peter Kristolaitis said: Now, having said all that... I'm not sure I'd want to pay the

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 12/17/12, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 34925.1355780...@turing-police.cc.vt.edu, On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:28:28 -0500, Peter Kristolaitis said: Yeah... degaussing rings consume a lot of energy you shouldn't need to consume. If you _must_ be able to protect data from

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 12-12-17 21:45, Jimmy Hess wrote: Yeah... degaussing rings consume a lot of energy you shouldn't need to consume. Now now, you clearly have not watched enough scient fiction/action movies... Clearly, you have a mechanism which triggers the degaussing (or neutron bomb in the basement the

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 20:45:04AM -0600, Jimmy Hess wrote: If you _must_ be able to protect data from extreme physical threats: keep it encrypted end to end at all times, Physical threat is somewhat different than seizure by law enforcement, though. Although mooted when authorities

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 12/18/12, Henry Yen he...@aegisinfosys.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 20:45:04AM -0600, Jimmy Hess wrote: Physical threat is somewhat different than seizure by law enforcement, though. I'm not so sure about that. It's a kind of physical threat; the set of all physical threats

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

. For consumer ISPs, sometimes activities such as running internet servers, reselling, or providing ISP access to 3rd parties, might be restricted (restrictions incompatible with running a TOR exit node on that service). An end user operating a TOR exit node, or wide open Wireless AP, intentionally

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

, or providing ISP access to 3rd parties, might be restricted (restrictions incompatible with running a TOR exit node on that service). But such restrictions are not all that common and aren't particularly relevant to this discussion. An end user operating a TOR exit node, or wide open Wireless AP

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

An end user operating a TOR exit node, or wide open Wireless AP, intentionally allows other people to connect to their infrastructure and the internet whom they have no relationship with or prior dealings with, in spite of the possibility of network abuse or illegal activities

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On 12/5/2012 8:35 AM, Joe Greco wrote: An end user operating a TOR exit node, or wide open Wireless AP, intentionally allows other people to connect to their infrastructure and the internet whom they have no relationship with or prior dealings with, in spite of the possibility of network

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

the police shows up with a warrant and the operator refuses to cooperate. Tor exit nodes are not that different from payphones or disposable pre-paid cellular service where the wireless operator has no verifiable identity/address for the purchasor of the service. Are phone companies held liable

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

I seriously doubt many TOR exit nodes have the political clout to be considered a common carrier. In a related note, I wonder if the six-strike rule would violate the ISP's safe harbor, as it's clearly content inspection. Nick On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Jordan Michaels jor

RE: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

[mailto:william.allen.simp...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote: Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops might

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On 12-12-03 14:44, Jordan Michaels wrote: case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal purposes? Perhaps if Tor exit node were called Tor exit Router, politicians/policemen would have a better

RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

I know I'm going to get flamed and excoriated, but here goes snip case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal purposes? I would hope so, but it doesn't seem like that has happened in this case

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:32:01 +, Brian Johnson said: This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a knowingly illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former. This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference between a consumer

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

This is a misleading statement. ISP's (Common carriers) do not provide a knowingly I'm trying to remember when ISP's became common carriers... illegal offering, ... TOR exit/entrance nodes provide only the former. This is also a misleading statement. Explain the difference between

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On Dec 4, 2012, at 09:32 , Brian Johnson bjohn...@drtel.com wrote: I know I'm going to get flamed and excoriated, but here goes snip case evolves in and out of court. Are Tor exit-node operators going to be given the same rights as ISP's who's networks are used for illegal purposes? I

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

In countries where the law does not dictate that all carriers maintain extensive logs, this is fairly simple. Whether you are a Tor node or a normal ISP, you do nothig until you get a court ordered warrant, at which point you collect information passing through your network and hand it over

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

Owen DeLong wrote: I strongly disagree with you. TOR exit nodes provide a vital physical infrastructure to free speech advocates who live in jurisdictions where strong forces are aligned against free speech. I'm sure most TOR exit node operators would happily provide all the details they have

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On Dec 4, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Brian Johnson bjohn...@drtel.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:22 PM To: Brian Johnson Cc: Jordan Michaels; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

I suspect that the 'free speech' part of the total tor traffic volume is pretty small(?). Something like tor doesn't work if it is all traffic that's free speech regarding the regime of whatever country the user lives in. If it were, it'd be just as sensible to set a DETAIN_AND_TORTURE_ME

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

. Original message From: Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net Date: 12/03/2012 12:24 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Joakim Aronius joa...@aronius.se Cc: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if I suspect that the 'free speech' part

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

of the total tor traffic volume is pretty small(?). I agree. I can understand that people need to be anonymous when they are going to publicly stand against an oppressive regime, or expose corporate corruption etc. What I'm not sure I believe as strongly is the justification for anonymity in private

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:49:24AM +, Warren Bailey wrote: Can you imagine an email thread that lasted longer than an entire weekend? Yes, I can. I've participated in some that went on for months. It's simply a matter of effectiveness and attention span. This email needs to be murdered,

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

The crime of routing somebody else traffic in the wrong iso layer. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.

Fwd: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

Hi! Forwarding my answer to tor-talk list. Mitar -- Forwarded message -- From: Mitar mmi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can. To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org Cc: nanog

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

I think one error being made here is discussing the culpability of law enforcement per se. That's like blaming the UPS delivery person because something you bought from Amazon was misleading. Or praising him/her because it was great. One way of asserting authority over any property is making

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 11/29/12 23:18 , Joakim Aronius wrote: I am all for being anonymous on the net but I seriously believe that we still need to enforce the law when it comes to serious felonies like child pr0n, organized crime etc, we can't give them a free pass just by using Tor. I dont think it should

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

Joel jaeggli wrote: The internet is potentially quite a useful tool for getting your message out so long as using it isn't holding a gun to your own head. While we site here with the convenient idea of some legal arbitrage which allows me to do something which isn't illegal in my own domain

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On 2012-12-02 22:44, Michael Painter wrote: Joel jaeggli wrote: The internet is potentially quite a useful tool for getting your message out so long as using it isn't holding a gun to your own head. While we site here with the convenient idea of some legal arbitrage which allows me to do

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

just by using Tor. I dont think it should be illegal to operate a Tor exit node but what just happened could be a consequence of doing it. The seriousness of crimes that can be committed using anonymization services should not be diminished. That said the motive I had for running a tor exit

Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Not a lawyer. than stfu with the legal crap It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things like networking without a certification, but if you don't have a law degree, suddenly they believe you are incapable of understanding

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

The BBC has an article about a similar issue on a Tor exit node in Austria: Austrian police raid privacy network over child porn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20554788 ## Austrian police have seized servers that were part of a global anonymous browsing system, after images showing child

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

employ things like encryption and run multiple levels of abstractions. And that brings us to Tor... The flip side to the coin is that there is such little disincentive to be aggressive in seizures. There are any number of examples of overreach, and since there is virtually no personal risk

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if

zombies or creating their own. There is also nothing stopping them from setting those systems up to transmit/receive child porn via HTTP/S or SMTP or FTP or any other protocol. Or through a VPN or whatever. No Tor required. So -- five minutes from now -- you (generic you) could suddenly

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things... Actually, what really bugs/amazes me about that thread is that the person whom this thread was originally about IS NOT EVEN FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

On Dec 1, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: It amazes me how people feel free to opine on things... Actually, what really bugs/amazes me about that thread is that the person whom this

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

On 12/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: As for the legal crap, most of what is posted is not on-topic here. There are laws legal implications which are operational, though. And even though I am not a lawyer, I need

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

On 12/1/2012 11:01 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote: Anyone, including people off the street, can have opinions about the Law, and opinions about networks. Would you be willing to rely some stranger off the street, with no qualifications, or positive background whatsoever, to start recommending a

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

Example of an actual warrant: https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/inresearchBC/EXHIBIT-A.pdf Please also keep in mind, if it's relevant, that *no warrant* is required for data that is stored by a third-party. Data on a server, TOR or otherwise, would by definition be data

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

The BBC has an article about a similar issue on a Tor exit node in Austria: Austrian police raid privacy network over child porn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20554788 actually it is not a similar case but the case of William W. that BBC reported. Though with some mistakes: the servers

[tor-relays] Bandwidth and server leads [was: Tor raid]

- Forwarded message from grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com - From: grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:36:33 -0500 To: tor-rel...@lists.torproject.org Cc: e...@stderr.org Subject: [tor-relays] Bandwidth and server leads [was: Tor raid] Reply-To: tor-rel...@lists.torproject.org

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

issue here is *not* the legality of the act of providing a Tor exit node, or an open access point, or anything else. In sensible countries that is perfectly legal. The problem here is the reality of undergoing a criminal investigation. It could also be the case that they think the person running

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:04:02AM -0500, Chris quoted (William): Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits. Question: what evidence has been published -- that is, placed somewhere that we can all see

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