Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On 10/3/07, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The value of network perimeterisation as a security measure, of which NAT is a method, is being questioned significantly by network security people. Mark, The discussion at hand is whether the absence of NAT creates a drag on IPv6 deployment.

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On 10/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if there was a reasonable translation mechanism available which allowed IPv6-only end systems to access IPv4-only content, I think the picture would look quite different. Doesn't deploying a 6to4 relay in the content

Re: Access to the IPv4 net for IPv6-only systems, was: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)

2007-10-03 Thread Daniel Senie
At 04:07 PM 10/2/2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 2-okt-2007, at 16:53, Mark Newton wrote: By focussing on the mechanics of inbound NAT traversal, you're ignoring the fact that applications work regardless. Web, VoIP, P2P utilities, games, IM, Google Earth, you name it, it works. O

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-03 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Abley) wrote: 6to4 (for content- or access-focussed networks) is surely a solution to the problem of I have no good way to acquire IPv6 transit; It solves another problem as well, like I cannot go v6 to my servers because my load balancing and packet filtering black

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On 10/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you care to wager, I'll take some of that action. Without a relatively transparent mechanism for IPv6-only hosts to access IPv4-only sites this isn't going to happen. We don't have such a mechanism built and won't have it deployed

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-03 Thread William Herrin
On 10/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As mentioned, 6to4 doesn't do what you seem to think it does. Its not a solution to the problem of IPv6 endpoints trying to talk to IPv4 endpoints. I see that you did not change anything on that page. Specifically what is wrong with

Myanmar Internet turned off

2007-10-03 Thread Steve Gibbard
There have been several news stories today about Myanmar's government turning off the country's Internet connectivity to suppress news coming out of the country (for instance: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/world/asia/04info.html?ref=world). Doing some poking at it earlier today, here's

Re: Creating demand for IPv6, and saving the planet

2007-10-03 Thread Daniel Senie
At 08:04 PM 10/3/2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] A number of people have bemoaned the lack of any IPv6-only killer-content that would drive a demand for IPv6. I've thought about this, and about the government's push to make IPv6 a reality. What occurred

Re: Myanmar Internet turned off

2007-10-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 10/4/07, Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the 6 hour sampling, I have to assume that there have been other short term re-appearances of routes to Burma. Whether this is due to internal struggles, accidents, or urgent needs for data transfer I cannot say. I believe the NYT

Re: Creating demand for IPv6, and saving the planet

2007-10-03 Thread Mike Leber
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Daniel Senie wrote: BTW, thanks for bringing this thread back to the question of creating demand for IPv6. There's plenty of anti-NAT activity on other threads. Some constructive discussion over ways to create incentives to deploy IPv6 is worthwhile. The most common