Randy;
Pricing aside, do you feel the Japanese have a good architecture for the
last mile? Would it adapt well from an environment that is mostly
multi-dwelling units (MDU) to one which is mostly single-dwelling units?
Any thoughts on good places to start for an english language speaker to
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Fletcher Kittredge wrote:
Pricing aside, do you feel the Japanese have a good architecture for the
last mile? Would it adapt well from an environment that is mostly
multi-dwelling units (MDU) to one which is mostly single-dwelling units?
Any thoughts on good places to
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:58:48 CST, Will Clayton said:
enable the masses to communicate and, at the same time, appease, for lack of
a better word, those who would capitalize on the sheer lack of unified
infrastructure.
The same way we appeased them the *last* time we gave them incentives to
Given the start up costs, it is not clear what is compelling.
Here in Budapest I get Internet access for less than Euros.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
Budapest, New York, and Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
-Original Message-
From: Mikael
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
You might look into what's being done in Sweden then, here there are
municipality networks who dig up the streets and does fiber to the
individual house in suburbia (you have to trench your own land though,
4dm deep, 1-2dm wide, they only dig in the street put down
You might look into what's being done in Sweden then, here there are
municipality networks who dig up the streets and does fiber to the
individual house in suburbia (you have to trench your own land though,
4dm deep, 1-2dm wide, they only dig in the street put down the pipe in
your trench).
-Original Message-
From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:cmaur...@xyonet.com]
SNIP
I'd look more to what they're doing in Rochester, NY:
http://rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network
Run it in the sewers. The sewer system runs to every building and
household in the municipality. No
Thanks for the pointers, Mikael. unfortunately, my Swedish is not much
better than my Japanese... But it is a good start and I am sure I will find
some sort of English description somewhere.
I should have been a bit more explicit in my question: I am not concerned
on the routing of the last
I'd look more to what they're doing in Rochester, NY:
http://rocwiki.org/Sewer_Fiber_Optic_Network
Run it in the sewers. The sewer system runs to every building and
household in the municipality. No need to re-trench anything.
Ahh .. the TISP :
http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html
Mackinnon, Ian wrote:
snip
In the UK more homes have fixed wire telephony than mains sewers or
water.
Not sure what that means to this discussion :-)
In the US as well, but if you're trying to run a new fiber network and
you want it uderground, the sewers in metro areas are a good place to
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Fletcher Kittredge wrote:
Thanks for the pointers, Mikael. unfortunately, my Swedish is not much
better than my Japanese... But it is a good start and I am sure I will find
some sort of English description somewhere.
Here is a cut/paste of the thing run thru google
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Fletcher Kittredge wrote:
Thanks for the pointers, Mikael. unfortunately, my Swedish is not much
better than my Japanese... But it is a good start and I am sure I
will find
some sort of English description somewhere.
Here is a cut/paste of the
Another issue - how far does the technology support open access/infrastructure
sharing/wholesaling? Not only are networks that get public funding likely to
be expected to provide these, but there is evidence that they are important
financially.
Benoit Felten's presentation at eComm Europe
Very much it depends on the case.
In price perspective Active Ethernet is cheaper (for the active equipment)
for both CAPEX and OPEX. Also it is reacher in features. Just
for comparison 2.5Gbit G-PON solution cost about the same as reasonable
10Gig FTTH active ethernet solution. If you do
Anyone have any experience using Edge-Core switches (or Accton,
Edge-Core is a subsidiary)? Good/bad? Pricing/features seem good, but
you often get what you pay for . . .
Thanks,
Todd
Generally Ethernet itself support in the last years natively Openaccess.
But first you need to answer to youself what type of Openness you want?
Open Access on Layer3 level? As it is made by the ADSL L3 LLU?
If so, then both Active and passive FTTH Ethernet are absolutley ready for
it. Every
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
Because SenderID and SPF have no anti-spam value, and almost no
anti-forgery value. Not that this stops a *lot* of people who've drunk
the kool-aid from trying to use them anyway,
OK, I'll bite--How exactly do you go about forging email from
Running fiber in the sewers can lead to many very expensive problems for
homeowners. This is so because some municipalities consider the lateral
sewer line running from the main sewer line in the street to the
homeowners' house the responsibility of the homeowner. If the lateral
should get blocked
This year I've been seeing what appears to be an increasing trend among
service providers.. making the decision to leave public peering. I'm
sure others on this list as seeing that trend as well. I have a couple
of guesses, but I'm curious , and I wanted to get some other thoughts as
to the why.
In a message written on Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:46:46PM -0800, Lasher, Donn
wrote:
I realized that paid transit is down at almost obscene levels, but is
that enough of a reason to increase hop-count, latencies, etc?
Why disconnect from public mostly-free peering?
Let's look at some
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Lasher, Donn wrote:
that enough of a reason to increase hop-count, latencies, etc?
In what way is hop-count a valid measurement of network
preformance/quality?
Today with gigabit links serialisation-delay is a non-issue so hop-count
is not important anymore.
Leo,
the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end
of that page.
Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at
the same time. I guess this is a move to stop company leaving public
exchanges...i have seen this trend, too.
Regards,
Jonas
On Wed,
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Lasher, Donn wrote:
This year I've been seeing what appears to be an increasing trend among
service providers.. making the decision to leave public peering. I'm
sure others on this list as seeing that trend as well. I have a couple
of guesses, but I'm curious , and
Leo Bicknell wrote:
rate, and that helps offset some of the costs. I've oversimplified, and
it's a very complex problem for most providers; however I know many are
looking at the fees for peering ports go from being in the noise to a
huge part of their cost structure and that doesn't work.
Just to chime in on this subject. We're at Equinix in San Jose. For
access to the peering at their facility, they charge a $1000 MRC Fee,
plus another $250 MRC for a cross-connect for GE port. I believe they
also charge a $1000 NRC fee as well. Private peering would be an option
if they didn't
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the topic
of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a
kin to the ever popular Linksys 54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears.
Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking
the topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable
internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular
Linksys 54G series, DLinks ,
Biased opinion because we distribute/sell Tilgin related products, but
they are supposed to do IPv6
Having said that, we have not lab tested them ourselves and plan to
early next year
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Wade Peacock [mailto:wade.peac...@sunwave.net]
Sent:
Matthew Dodd wrote:
Apple has been shipping the Airport Extreme and Express (consumer
router) with v6 support since 2007, if I recall correctly. They can also
create a 4to6 tunnel automatically.
By 4to6 to you mean IPv4 on the inside and IPv6 on the outside?
Wade Peacock
Sun Country
On 3/12/2009, at 12:44 PM, Wade Peacock wrote:
Matthew Dodd wrote:
Apple has been shipping the Airport Extreme and Express (consumer
router) with v6 support since 2007, if I recall correctly. They can
also create a 4to6 tunnel automatically.
By 4to6 to you mean IPv4 on the inside and IPv6
I meant to say 6to4, sorry about that. Nothing special there.
-Matt
On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Wade Peacock wade.peac...@sunwave.net
wrote:
Matthew Dodd wrote:
Apple has been shipping the Airport Extreme and Express (consumer
router) with v6 support since 2007, if I recall correctly.
On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote:
the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end
of that page.
Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at
the same time. I guess this is a move to stop company leaving public
exchanges...i have
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Matthew Dodd md...@doddserver.com wrote:
I meant to say 6to4, sorry about that. Nothing special there.
-Matt
4to6 would be a mighty nice feature on a CPE =)
--
Brandon Galbraith
Mobile: 630.400.6992
FNAL: 630.840.2141
On 12/2/09 7:24 PM, Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Matthew Dodd md...@doddserver.com wrote:
I meant to say 6to4, sorry about that. Nothing special there.
-Matt
4to6 would be a mighty nice feature on a CPE =)
=== If you are
There are specifications for them being developed in the IETF, BBF,
and Cable Labs. Basically, all of the usual suspects are interested in
having product that meets needs.
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking
On 03/12/2009, at 11:24 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
There are specifications for them being developed in the IETF, BBF, and Cable
Labs. Basically, all of the usual suspects are interested in having product
that meets needs.
I challenge the usual suspects to deliver actual working dual stack IPv6
There are specifications for them being developed in the IETF, BBF,
and Cable Labs. Basically, all of the usual suspects are interested in
having product that meets needs.
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking
the topic of client equipment came up.
We
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
They do IPv6 and they are pretty good in general, and cheap as well.
Mehmet
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the
topic of client equipment came up.
Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the
topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable
internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular Linksys
54G series, DLinks ,
On 03/12/2009, at 12:45 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
Come on CPE vendors - most of your run Linux in your CPEs these days. How
hard is it to make it work? Someone got an image working for us with
OpenWRT in his spare time in a week, surely you CPE vendors can cobble
something together
On 03/12/2009, at 12:53 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
Depends. Can I get one at Frys for $69.95 and set it up with
a web browser?
- mark
--
Mark Newton Email: new...@internode.com.au (W)
Network Engineer
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 18:23, Mehmet Akcin meh...@akcin.net wrote:
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
No. Way too expensive and virtually 100% of consumers would not be
able to install it on their own.
On 03/12/2009, at 9:51 AM, Dave Temkin wrote:
You're correct, out of the box there aren't many. The first couple that come
to mind are the Apple Airport Express and Airport Extreme, but I don't
believe Linksys/Netgear/etc. have support out of the box.
The Apple products do 6to4 out of the
On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Jonas Frey wrote:
the DE-CIX pricing is now 500 Euro/month...since 1st october...see end
of that page.
Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have decreased their pricing this year..almost at
the same time. I guess this is
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Mark Newton new...@internode.com.au wrote:
On 03/12/2009, at 12:53 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
Depends. Can I get one at Frys for $69.95 and set it up with
a web browser?
That would be cool, a nice box
On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Mark Newton new...@internode.com.au wrote:
On 03/12/2009, at 12:53 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote:
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
Depends. Can I get one at Frys for $69.95 and set it
I think they're (all) listed here:
http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Wade Peacock [mailto:wade.peac...@sunwave.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:16 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
We
Bill Fehring wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 18:23, Mehmet Akcin meh...@akcin.net wrote:
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
No. Way too expensive and virtually 100% of consumers would not be
able to install it on their own.
If they can't plug it in (that's a huge
I note that a lot of those have IPv6 support because of 3rd party DDWRT images
:-)
A lot of them support 6to4 only - and often quite poorly.
MMC
On 03/12/2009, at 1:27 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
I think they're (all) listed here:
http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE
Frank
A Mikrotik Routerboard supports IPv6. Fairly cheap, under $100. But
not easy enough for a novice home user to configure on their own. Could
be a good cpe if it was pre-configured from the service provider though.
I use a MT box at home which serves as my router, dual stack, and then
set's
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:38:54 CST, Chris Owen said:
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
Because SenderID and SPF have no anti-spam value, and almost no
anti-forgery value. Not that this stops a *lot* of people who've drunk
the kool-aid from trying to use them anyway,
OK,
Once upon a time, Mehmet Akcin meh...@akcin.net said:
Noted on the christmas tree for santa ;) let's see if it will happen..
SSG5s are still on ScreenOS and going to be..., SRX series run JunOS
but little too pricey for a home router :)
I think the SRX100 is the intended replacement for the
I believe that the Fritz box and the Apple Airport series gateways
both qualify, although there
is a price difference on the Apple gear. I am not sure about the price
of the Fritz.
Owen
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our
On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
On 03/12/2009, at 9:51 AM, Dave Temkin wrote:
You're correct, out of the box there aren't many. The first couple
that come to mind are the Apple Airport Express and Airport
Extreme, but I don't believe Linksys/Netgear/etc. have support out
Probably the same time they'll figure out the over-3-yrs-old IGMP ver3
support (for a *multimedia-oriented* company, multicast seem to still be
foreign ... oh, well...)
***Stefan Mititelu
http://twitter.com/netfortius
http://www.linkedin.com/in/netfortius
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Owen
On 03/12/2009, at 3:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
You're correct, out of the box there aren't many. The first couple that
come to mind are the Apple Airport Express and Airport Extreme, but I don't
believe Linksys/Netgear/etc. have support out of the box.
The Apple products do 6to4 out of
Pricing aside, do you feel the Japanese have a good architecture for the
last mile? Would it adapt well from an environment that is mostly
multi-dwelling units (MDU) to one which is mostly single-dwelling units?
Any thoughts on good places to start for an english language speaker to
learn
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
It only stops forgery if the SPF record has a -all in it (as hubris.net does).
However, a lot of domains (mine included) have a ~all instead.
I guess I've never really seen the point of publishing a SPF record if it ends
in ~all.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Chris Owen ow...@hubris.net wrote:
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
Because SenderID and SPF have no anti-spam value, and almost no
anti-forgery value. Not that this stops a *lot* of people who've drunk
the kool-aid from trying to use them
I guess I've never really seen the point of publishing a SPF record if
it ends in ~all. What are people supposed to do with that info?
Get your mail delivered to Hotmail, the last significant outpost of
SPF/Sender-ID. Other than that, I agree it's useless.
I also agree that any domain with
John Levine wrote:
I guess I've never really seen the point of publishing a SPF record if
it ends in ~all. What are people supposed to do with that info?
Get your mail delivered to Hotmail, the last significant outpost of
SPF/Sender-ID. Other than that, I agree it's useless.
I also agree
On Dec 3, 2009, at 12:42 AM, John Levine wrote:
I also agree that any domain with live users (as opposed to mail
cannons sending ads or transaction confirmations) is likely to
experience pain with -all from all the overenthusiastic little MTAs
whose managers imagine that stopping forgery will
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