Re: To the people who answer tech questions on this list

2011-02-17 Thread Michael Dillon
As for LinkedIN, I have nothing against, it, but I don't use it. I don't have an account on it and not sure I ever want to. I'm already slightly on facebook, and very active on twitter, so nothing against linkedin, but there's just too many social media websites to keep track of There

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 feb 2011, at 17:51, William Herrin wrote: We can't backport ULA into IPv4 private addressing; there aren't enough addresses for the math to work. So we either make such folks jump through all kinds of hoops to get their networks to function, or we assign addresses that could otherwise

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Not that it matters because it's too late now and it would only give us a few more months, but: Does the US government really need more than 150 million addresses, of which about half are not publically routed? Non-publically routed

Re: ATT MPLS / BIB Routers

2011-02-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On 02/17/2011 01:02 AM, George Bonser wrote: From: Mikeal Clark Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:16 PM To: Jim Gettys Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ATT MPLS / BIB Routers I'm building up to 3000-4000ms latency with these BIB routers. We never had this issue on the old point to points

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 54cc2b0d-eae0-4b79-af19-20bbd233a...@istaff.org, John Curran writes: On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Not that it matters because it's too late now and it would only give = us a few more months, but: =20 Does the US government really need more than 150

RE: ATT MPLS / BIB Routers

2011-02-17 Thread Ryan Finnesey
What type of hardware are they using for this BIB router? Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Mikeal Clark [mailto:mikeal.cl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:16 PM To: Jim Gettys Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ATT MPLS / BIB Routers I'm building up to 3000-4000ms

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 11 feb 2011, at 17:51, William Herrin wrote: We can't backport ULA into IPv4 private addressing; there aren't enough addresses for the math to work. So we either make such folks jump through all kinds of hoops to get their

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:08:50 EST, John Curran said: Rather than saying 240/4 is unusable for another three years, perhaps the service provider community could make plain that this space needs to be made usable In other words, you're going to tell Granny she needs to upgrade to Windows 8

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:32 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:08:50 EST, John Curran said: Rather than saying 240/4 is unusable for another three years, perhaps the service provider community could make plain that this space needs to be made usable In other words,

Re: To the people who answer tech questions on this list

2011-02-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com There are no perfect solutions. It seems to me that Twitter is not conducive to technical QA and given the choice between Facebook and LinkedIn, it seems that the professional social network is more likely to gain

Re: ATT MPLS / BIB Routers

2011-02-17 Thread Mikeal Clark
The routers are Edgemarc. P/N EM-4608T4 http://www.edgewaternetworks.com/edgemarc_overview_page.htm On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Ryan Finnesey ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com wrote: What type of hardware are they using for this BIB router? Cheers Ryan -Original

Re: Fwd: [arin-announce] IN-ADDR.ARPA Zone Transfer Complete

2011-02-17 Thread Wolfgang Nagele
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Relevant to another post today, I've noticed that neither the *.ip6-servers.arpa nor the *.in-addr-servers.arpa allow axfr. Which leads to the following questions: 1. Was that a conscious decision, and if so why? Speaking for the

ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Santino Codispoti
Is it possible to order a ISDN BRI line from the LEC and have them look at the design of a DS1 and have them if possible design the ISDN BRI lineon a devurse path or at lest different equipment within the CO?

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Santino Codispoti santino.codisp...@gmail.com Is it possible to order a ISDN BRI line from the LEC and have them look at the design of a DS1 and have them if possible design the ISDN BRI line on a diverse path or at lest different equipment within the CO?

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Joe Greco
Is it possible to order a ISDN BRI line from the LEC and have them look at the design of a DS1 and have them if possible design the ISDN BRI lineon a devurse path or at lest different equipment within the CO? Effectively: No. You might find a salescritter willing to *sell* you such a thing,

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Santino Codispoti wrote: Is it possible to order a ISDN BRI line from the LEC and have them look at the design of a DS1 and have them if possible design the ISDN BRI lineon a devurse path or at lest different equipment within the CO? I suspect that, particularly for

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Jared Mauch
What you can do is (if you are important enough) apply for TSP (tsp.ncs.gov) in conjunction with provisioning of a circuit to actually have this type of engineering happen and persist, including emergency restoration. If your local carrier doesn't offer the redundancy you want, your only other

RE: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Paul Stewart
Unfortunate but very true seen that many of times where a special engineering fee has been charged specifically to carry a circuit in a diverse manner (or even reasonably diverse). Then it breaks and the excuses start as to why it was never done as promised - then a couple of years later

Solar flare to reach earth

2011-02-17 Thread andrew.wallace
These coronal mass ejections will slam into the Earth's magnetic shield. The biggest flares can disrupt technology, including power grids, communications systems and satellites. Our current view is that the effect of the solar flare is likely to reach Earth later today (Thursday GMT), possibly

Re: [arin-announce] IN-ADDR.ARPA Zone Transfer Complete

2011-02-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-02-16, at 21:15, David Conrad wrote: Congrats to all on getting this done! It's been a long time in coming. Good to see it finally finished. You're very welcome :-) however, the work is not quiet yet done. Next steps are: week of 2011-02-21: IN-ADDR.ARPA zone dropped from B, C,

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Santino Codispoti
This may be a great options because the network will be going into air ports. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: What you can do is (if you are important enough) apply for TSP (tsp.ncs.gov) in conjunction with provisioning of a circuit to actually have

Re: To the people who answer tech questions on this list

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/17/2011 2:30 AM, Michael Dillon wrote: Never heard of Quora and that seems to be tied to Facebook, so not ideal. Did you just dis Facebook while plugging linked-in? Jack (continuing to ask stupid and redundant questions on NANOG)

Re: Solar flare to reach earth

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/17/2011 9:56 AM, andrew.wallace wrote: These coronal mass ejections will slam into the Earth's magnetic shield. The biggest flares can disrupt technology, including power grids, communications systems and satellites. Our current view is that the effect of the solar flare is likely to

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/17/2011 10:24 AM, Steven Bellovin wrote: It might be worth doing for ISP backbones, and for things like tunnel endpoints. For anything else, it's not worth the effort -- and I suspect never was. I think several people's point is that it may be useful for the CGN/LSN numbering and other

Re: Solar flare to reach earth

2011-02-17 Thread Leon Kaiser
Huh, interesting how the media didn't panic. Leon Kaiser - Head of GNAA Public Relations - litera...@gnaa.eu || litera...@goatse.fr http://gnaa.eu || http://security.goatse.fr 7BEECD8D FCBED526 F7960173 459111CE

Re: Solar flare to reach earth

2011-02-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 07:56:19 PST, andrew.wallace said: The biggest flares can disrupt technology, including power grids, communications systems and satellites. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12493980 Better references: http://www.spaceweather.com/ and

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
In other words, you're going to tell Granny she needs to upgrade to Windows 8 and/or replace her CPE because you couldn't get your act together and deploy IPv6 - even though her friends at the bridge club who are customers of your clued competitor didn't have to do a thing. Or tell her to

Re: [arin-announce] IN-ADDR.ARPA Zone Transfer Complete

2011-02-17 Thread David Conrad
On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Joe Abley wrote: At the end of this process every subdomain of ARPA will be fully DNSSEC-signed. Cool. Query rates on the new servers (those operated by the RIRs and ICANN) are currently low, but are expected to increase as the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone is dropped

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Jack Bates wrote: On 2/17/2011 10:24 AM, Steven Bellovin wrote: It might be worth doing for ISP backbones, and for things like tunnel endpoints. For anything else, it's not worth the effort -- and I suspect never was. I think several people's point is that it

RE: Solar flare to reach earth

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
Solar Activity Forecast: Solar activity is expected to be moderate with a chance for an isolated major flare for the next three days (17-19 February). Region 1158 is expected to produce more M-class flares and still has the potential for producing an M5 or greater x-ray event. There is a

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:08 AM, John Curran jcur...@istaff.org wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Not that it matters because it's too late now and it would only give us a few more months, but: Does the US government really need more than 150 million addresses,

Re: [arin-announce] IN-ADDR.ARPA Zone Transfer Complete

2011-02-17 Thread Wolfgang Nagele
Hi, It'll be interesting to see what the corresponding drop in traffic in the root servers will be... We expect it to be around 2000qps (or ~8% of the total traffic) for k.root-servers.net. PTR query rates are very steady and do not follow the general diurnal cycle. Regards, Wolfgang

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org writes: It's not usable as general purpose unicast. Both those drafts attempt to do that. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilson-class-e-00 does not. Recommend you re-read. It would be possible to use it as restricted purpose unicast, i.e. to connect from a

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
If you want to go on a wild goose chase, start chasing down 240/4 and you might make some progress. As i have mentioned before, it was only after i gave up on 240/4 for private network numbering that i really earnestly took on IPv6-only as a strategy. Seeing 240/4 actually work would be

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: The DoD does not seem particularly anxious to announce or explain their usage of those blocks to the rest of the community. They have much larger quantities of significantly more sophisticated armaments than ARIN. I agree it would be nice if they would

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: If you want to go on a wild goose chase, start chasing down 240/4 and you might make some progress. As i have mentioned before, it was only after i gave up on 240/4 for private network numbering that i really earnestly

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: 240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's great. Let me know when a Cisco 7600 will route a packet like this. So, it won't work for you.

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's great. Let me know when a Cisco 7600 will route a packet like this. Cameron Considering how small of a change it is, simply removing that

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:51 AM, John Curran jcur...@istaff.org wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: 240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's great.  Let me know when a

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: ... I agree it would be nice if they would voluntarily return whatever is appropriate to the community, but, You mean like they already did with 49/8, 50/8 (both formerly Joint Technical Command),

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
I am 100% pro making Class E defined as private unicast space. My only point is that people need to be realistic about the near term benefit. Yes, some linux may work. But, Microsoft and Cisco don't work today. Let's move it to not-reserved, but don't bet the farm on 240/4 solving

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:52 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: 240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's great.  Let me know when a Cisco 7600 will route a packet like this.

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:52 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: 240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
I asked 2 years ago, and i was told it was not feasible. I escalated, still no-go, it was a deep problem. And they pointed to the IETF saying no on the above drafts as reason to not dig into the microcode or whatever to fix it. Ok, so that implies that it is burned into hardware and as it

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread David Israel
On 2/17/2011 1:31 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: IPv6's momentum is a lot like a beach landing at Normandy. As in, large, dedicated, and nigh unstoppable, but fraught with peril and with a lot of mess and destruction to get through before it is done, or as in mainly opposed by aging crazy Nazis

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 17, 2011, at 9:57 AM, John Curran wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: ... I agree it would be nice if they would voluntarily return whatever is appropriate to the community, but, You mean like they already did with

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
IPv6's momentum is a lot like a beach landing at Normandy. ?? Inevitably going to succeed, but, not without heavy losses in the process? Owen

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: IPv6's momentum is a lot like a beach landing at Normandy. ?? Inevitably going to succeed, but, not without heavy losses in the process? Owen Yes, and also with mass fear and confusion at the beginning. -- Jeffrey

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Bates
On 2/17/2011 1:25 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Owen DeLongo...@delong.com wrote: IPv6's momentum is a lot like a beach landing at Normandy. ?? Inevitably going to succeed, but, not without heavy losses in the process? Owen Yes, and also with mass fear and

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jack Bates jba...@brightok.net wrote: On 2/17/2011 1:25 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Owen DeLongo...@delong.com  wrote: IPv6's momentum is a lot like a beach landing at Normandy. ?? Inevitably going to succeed, but, not without

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message AANLkTi=uzeqb2dykxhvrxakfasphgfdmxjp1p-gj0...@mail.gmail.com, Came ron Byrne writes: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:08 AM, John Curran jcur...@istaff.org wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:39 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Not that it matters because it's too late now and it would only

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 32ecc9cd-d927-4407-914c-751316c59...@istaff.org, John Curran write s: On Feb 17, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: 240/4 has been enabled in Linux since 2.6.25 (applied on January 21, 2008 by David Miller) so that's like three years already. Yep, and that's great.

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Steve Meuse
Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): Or to ask CISCO to fix the box so it can route it? In many cases it is a minimal change. I don't know whether it is in Cisco 7600 They are in the business of selling new gear, not enabling features on EOL equipment :) -Steve

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
You can reflash CPE devices to support this that you can't reflash to support IPv6 as there is no space in the flash for the extra code. This should be minimal. A extra PPP/DHCP option and a check box to enable (default) / disable setting it. Reflashing most CPE amounts to forklifting.

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:30:12 am Jay Ashworth wrote: Off hand, I wouldn't expect a carrier to do any special engineering on a BRI -- can you even *order* a BRI these days? :-) Seems to still be in NECA Tariff5, at least the last copy I looked at. So the rurals still are tariffed

Information about upcoming transition of mailing list ownership

2011-02-17 Thread Andy Rosenzweig
Dear nanog@nanog.org subscriber: This message is to let you know about an upcoming change in the ownership of this mailing list. As you may know, the ownership and management of NANOG has been been transferred from Merit Network to NewNOG, Inc., a non-profit led by members of the NANOG

[NANOG-announce] Information about upcoming transition of NANOG-Announce list ownership

2011-02-17 Thread Andy Rosenzweig
Dear nanog-annou...@nanog.org subscriber: This message is to let you know about an upcoming change in the ownership of this mailing list. As you may know, the ownership and management of NANOG has been been transferred from Merit Network to NewNOG, Inc., a non-profit led by members of the NANOG

SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Lixfeld
I was asked today what the difference between SFP and SFP+ is. I did really know, so I looked it up and it seems that the SFP spec provides capabilities for data rates up to 4.25Gb/s, whereas SFP+ supports up to 10Gb/s. Naturally, this made me wonder whether or not an optic that supported

Re: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Jimmy Changa
I'm curious also. Could you use a SFP in a ten gig port if you only need 4gb of throughput? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Sam Chesluk s...@networkhardware.com wrote: Jason - there are no SFP-10G parts based off of the original SFP; they all are based on the SFP+ standard,

RE: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Sam Chesluk
Depends on the switch. Some, like the 2960S and 4948E, have 1G/10G ports. They will, however, not operate at 4Gbps (that particular speed was chosen to allow the core components to work for gigabit Ethernet, OC48, 2G FC, and 4G FC). Sam Chesluk Network Hardware Resale -Original

Re: Fwd: [arin-announce] IN-ADDR.ARPA Zone Transfer Complete

2011-02-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/17/2011 07:11, Wolfgang Nagele wrote: Hi, Relevant to another post today, I've noticed that neither the *.ip6-servers.arpa nor the *.in-addr-servers.arpa allow axfr. Which leads to the following questions: 1. Was that a conscious decision, and if so why? Speaking for the operator of

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 5f90644c-5457-460f-9bc3-70802b13a...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write s: Cisco is just one example. The fact is it will likely not work in cell phones, home gateways, windows PCs, Mac's, I understand some progress has been made... but choose your scope wisely and pick

Re: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 03:41:28PM -0800, Sam Chesluk wrote: Depends on the switch. Some, like the 2960S and 4948E, have 1G/10G ports. They will, however, not operate at 4Gbps (that particular speed was chosen to allow the core components to work for gigabit Ethernet, OC48, 2G FC, and 4G

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20110217203922.gb3...@mara.org, Steve Meuse writes: Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): Or to ask CISCO to fix the box so it can route it? In many cases it is a minimal change. I don't know whether it is in Cisco 7600 They are in the business of selling new gear, not

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 20110217203639.ga3...@mara.org, Steve Meuse writes: George Bonser expunged (gbon...@seven.com): Considering the amount of linux-based CPE and other network hardware out there (including some Cisco gear), the extent to which it

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1dbdca5f-16ec-428d-bc46-3bd59a6f4...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write s: You can reflash CPE devices to support this that you can't reflash to support IPv6 as there is no space in the flash for the extra code. This should be minimal. A extra PPP/DHCP option and a check box to

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 17, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 1dbdca5f-16ec-428d-bc46-3bd59a6f4...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write s: You can reflash CPE devices to support this that you can't reflash to support IPv6 as there is no space in the flash for the extra code. This should be

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 17, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 5f90644c-5457-460f-9bc3-70802b13a...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write s: Cisco is just one example. The fact is it will likely not work in cell phones, home gateways, windows PCs, Mac's, I understand some progress has

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread George Bonser
But way way way more time to deploy the patched kernel than to forklift the devices with IPv6 capable ones which don't require patching the kernel, either. The kernel patch is, at best, an expensive stop gap. At worst, it is a counter productive waste of time. At best it's slightly

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-17 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 14:17, Benson Schliesser bens...@queuefull.net wrote: If you have more experience (not including rumors) that suggests otherwise, I'd very much like to hear about it.  I'm open to the possibility that NAT444 breaks stuff - that feels right in my gut - but I haven't

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message c02476ce-0544-430e-bb70-b752406ad...@delong.com, Owen DeLong write s: On Feb 17, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: =20 In message 1dbdca5f-16ec-428d-bc46-3bd59a6f4...@delong.com, Owen = DeLong write s: =20 You can reflash CPE devices to support this that you can't

Re: Information about upcoming transition of mailing list ownership

2011-02-17 Thread Randy Bush
It has been a privilege for Merit to serve the NANOG community since the formation of the group in 1994. the merit folk have done a great job since nanog happened out of techs. you held the community together and helped move the internet forward. deep thanks. and you're still family. randy

Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Yaoqing(Joey) Liu
I'm doing some research on multiple origin AS problems of IXPs. As I know, generally there are two types of IXPs type 1: use exchange routers, which works in layer 3 type 2: use switches and Ethernet topology, which works in layer 2. So I have a couple of qustions: 1. For type 1, the exchange

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Steve Meuse
Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): An how many of those embedded linux devices are running a 2.4 kernel? Just lo ok at xx-wrt as an example. If you have a certain chipset, 2.4 is your only o ption. And the work to patch that kernel is minimal if it doesn't already support it.

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Steve Meuse
Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): Remember a lot of this problem is the direct result of vendors not acting soon enough and that includes CISCO. Asking those vendors to do a bit of work to fixup the results of their bad decisions is not unreasonable. They can't fix hardware limitations

RE: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
-Original Message- From: Yaoqing(Joey) Liu [mailto:joey.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions I'm doing some research on multiple origin AS problems of IXPs. As I know, generally there are two

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20110218020622.ga10...@mara.org, Steve Meuse writes: Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): An how many of those embedded linux devices are running a 2.4 kernel? Jus t lo ok at xx-wrt as an example. If you have a certain chipset, 2.4 is your on ly o ption. And the

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Steve Meuse
Mark Andrews expunged (ma...@isc.org): I think grandma is quite capable of doing it. She just needs to be informed that it needs to be done. On my planet (Earth), this isn't likely ever happen. -Steve

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 02:17:48AM +, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: On the Seattle Internet Exchange (SIX) we have ARIN-assigned addresses that we use on the Layer 2 fabric (your type 2 above). Hopefully the addresses aren't being announced at all, although we

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Randy Bush
On the Seattle Internet Exchange (SIX) we have ARIN-assigned addresses that we use on the Layer 2 fabric (your type 2 above). Hopefully the addresses aren't being announced at all, although we sometimes have to chase down people that announce it. I've had to deal with exchanges like this in

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-17 Thread Jack Carrozzo
We pick up v6 from HE currently (like the rest of the world). L3 offered us dual stack also, but they wanted money to set it up plus MRC. None of our Bits That Matter (tm) go over v6 anyhow. (I guess the right phrase would be revenue producing bits). -Jack Carrozzo On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:51

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Yaoqing(Joey) Liu
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Yaoqing(Joey) Liu [mailto:joey.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions I'm

RE: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Frank Bulk
Are there are any optics that plug into 10G ports but have a copper or optical 1G interface? There's some equipment that I'm specing where it is $10K for a multi-port 1G card, even while I really may only *occasionally* need a single 1G port and there's a free 10G port for me to use. Frank

RE: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-17 Thread -Hammer-
ATT has told us that they will have IPv6 on their MIS circuits Q2 2011. Deltacom has told us the same. We will be testing native IPv6 with both these carriers on GE Internet circuits sometime around Q3.   -Hammer-   I was a normal American nerd. -Jack Herer     -Original Message-

RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Frank Bulk
You're invited to work my helpdesk for a week. I'd even pay you. It's not just flashing, it's reconfiguring every wireless device in the home (printer, Wii, Kindle, laptop (that's not home right, will be when Sally visits for the weekend), etc). If you can come up with an online tool that

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Bill Woodcock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 17, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Yaoqing(Joey) Liu wrote: As I know, generally there are two types of IXPs This is incorrect. type 1: use exchange routers, which works in layer 3 This is not an IXP. This is a router. That router would be owned by

Re: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 09:04:29PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: Are there are any optics that plug into 10G ports but have a copper or optical 1G interface? There's some equipment that I'm specing where it is $10K for a multi-port 1G card, even while I really may only *occasionally* need a

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Randy Bush
type 1: use exchange routers, which works in layer 3 This is not an IXP. This is a router. That router would be owned by someone, who would have some sort of policy in the router, which would make it an Internet service provider, not an Internet exchange point. this from the guy who pushed

Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...

2011-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 00bc01cbcf19$8b3f13d0$a1bd3b70$@iname.com, Frank Bulk writes: You're invited to work my helpdesk for a week. I'd even pay you. It's not just flashing, it's reconfiguring every wireless device in the home (printer, Wii, Kindle, laptop (that's not home right, will be when Sally

history repeats

2011-02-17 Thread Randy Bush
i am getting nanog list mail repeats from last may randy

Re: history repeats

2011-02-17 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Randy Bush wrote: i am getting nanog list mail repeats from last may I'm down with Shirley Bassey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q randy

Re: history repeats

2011-02-17 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i am getting nanog list mail repeats from last may ME2 -J

Re: ISDN BRI

2011-02-17 Thread Santino Codispoti
Yes that is my goal. I guess I will be dealing with Verizon and ATT mostly as the LEC On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:21:18 am Santino Codispoti wrote: Is it possible to order a ISDN BRI line from the LEC and have them look

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-17 Thread Bill Woodcock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote: this from the guy who pushed layer three exchange points for years? rofl! I was one of the people who built one in 1994, and used it quite happily for a few years, until it had outlasted its need.

Re: Information about upcoming transition of mailing list ownership

2011-02-17 Thread Jorge Amodio
Most sincere thanks to Merit for their long time support to the network community, Cheers Jorge

RE: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Peter Nowak
You can plug SFP module (copper or fiber) into any SFP+ port. So, on 10G port you can run either 1GE or 10GE. Peter Nowak _ From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] To: 'Richard A Steenbergen' [mailto:r...@e-gerbil.net] Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:04:29 -0500

Re: SFP vs. SFP+

2011-02-17 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:55:45AM -0500, Peter Nowak wrote: You can plug SFP module (copper or fiber) into any SFP+ port. So, on 10G port you can run either 1GE or 10GE. Not true. Some devices support this, since SFP and SFP+ are physically and electrically compatible, but not all. The

[Nanog-futures] Information about upcoming transition of NANOG-Futures list ownership

2011-02-17 Thread Andy Rosenzweig
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