I do not live over there, I have never seen a Vonage or Magic jack or
any other VoIP service ad on TV in the UK, ever.
Vonage *are* advertising on UK TV. Hardly the carpet-bombing the OP suggests
is the case in the US, but they are doing something.
It is quite a different market here. I
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:25:23 + (GMT)
Tim Franklin t...@pelican.org wrote:
I do not live over there, I have never seen a Vonage or Magic jack
or any other VoIP service ad on TV in the UK, ever.
Vonage *are* advertising on UK TV. Hardly the carpet-bombing the OP
suggests is the
On 01/03/2011 04:24, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
Oddly enough the meeting NOC is in the business of providing services to
customers and we generally assume that to be with the highest
availability and minimum breakage feasible under the circumstances...
That is exactly my point.
[...]
I am
Juniper MX80 does all this.
On 1 Mar 2011, at 01:07, Jeff Hartley intensifysecur...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote:
On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, Matt Newsom matt.new...@rackspace.com wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a
Juniper MX80 does all this.
1. It's not a switch (so don't expect switch pricing).
2. It doesn't offer 12 x 10GE ports.
And I believe this has been mentioned earlier in the same thread...
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
- Original Message -
From: William Pitcock neno...@systeminplace.net
That is the same market Vonage is now targeting in the US, basically.
National calling in the US is basically bundled with most calling plans
now. I'm not convinced that many people use Vonage in the US - my
offered through the various broadband providers I have had.
Let us be clear: if you're getting digital telephone service from a
cable television provider, it is *not* VoIP, in the usage in which
most speakers mean that term -- Voice Over Internet is what they should
be saying, and cable-phone
There may be no compelling reason to do so, at least. However, digital
gear offers benefits, and some people want them. Others, like me, live
in bad RF environments where POTS picks up too much noise unless you
very carefully select your gear and shield your cables. Further, the
digital
On 03/01/2011 05:51 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: William Pitcockneno...@systeminplace.net
That is the same market Vonage is now targeting in the US, basically.
National calling in the US is basically bundled with most calling plans
now. I'm not
is the requirment still 1-2 U switch?
- Reply message -
From: sth...@nethelp.no
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:44 am
Subject: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.
To: leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Juniper MX80 does all this.
1. It's not a switch (so don't
OK. Please show me a “switch” that will terminate Layer 3 GRE tunnels..
If it does GRE then it is making Layer 3 forwarding decisions which is a router
function. It may be built into a switch as well, but it is still a router.
--
Leigh Porter
From: tsi...@gmail.com
There may be no compelling reason to do so, at least. However, digital
gear offers benefits, and some people want them. Others, like me, live
in bad RF environments where POTS picks up too much noise unless you
very carefully select your gear and shield your cables. Further, the
Fairly major global network provider likes to call themselves a Tier
1. Asking about native IPv6 in one of their colo facilities in the UK.
They say their US facilities won't be v6 capable until Q4 2011. The UK
rep acted like it was the first he'd ever heard of it and implied we
were the very
On 03/01/2011 07:39 AM, George Bonser wrote:
Fairly major global network provider likes to call themselves a Tier
1. Asking about native IPv6 in one of their colo facilities in the UK.
They say their US facilities won't be v6 capable until Q4 2011. The UK
rep acted like it was the first he'd
From our experience and smoke pings on Verizon's alternet, they ALWAYS have
issues. Which is why we moved away from them.
-Bret
On Mar 1, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Chris Tracy wrote:
Seeing some packet loss via Cogent.
www.internetpulse.net seems to be lighting up.
I'm noticing it too. POP in
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:47:39 -0500, Chris Tracy wrote
In both cases, mtr shows ~50% loss beginning at google-
gw.customer.alter.net (152.179.50.62), the first hop in AS15169.
It's clear that I must be losing more ICMP than TCP packets given
that google webpages come up fairly quickly, but
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 07:46 -1000, Paul Graydon wrote:
Having worked both inside and outside the ISP industry, I wouldn't
necessarily trust a salesman to know a DSL from a leased line, let alone
IPv6 vs IPv4, nor to have remembered being asked about it before.
That's stuff for pre-sales
We've been the first for one of the oldest and best known Tier 1's in
Metro Atlanta for quite some time
It only took them 3 weeks to get the order right in their billing system
and another 4.5 months to get it working.
And I agree with the previous poster that in this day and age, it is
Do please let me know which major global network provider this is. Off-list if
you prefer.
Christian
On 1 Mar 2011, at 18:39, George Bonser wrote:
Fairly major global network provider likes to call themselves a Tier
1. Asking about native IPv6 in one of their colo facilities in the UK.
Don't forget there is no commission for the salesperson to enable IPv6 for you,
so definitively they are not interested and you asking them to deal with the
issue, will just lower their pay at the end of the month because they could not
use this valuable time to find customers with
On 2011-03-01 22:16, Franck Martin wrote:
Don't forget there is no commission for the salesperson to enable
IPv6 for you, so definitively they are not interested and you asking
them to deal with the issue, will just lower their pay at the end of
the month because they could not use this
Perhaps that
particular
salesperson had not but he/she should have been briefed on it and
should
be familiar enough with deployment status to be able to talk
intelligently and honestly with a potential customer.
I could buy that if it weren't for the fact that it took two days to come
Is anyone on the list that knows about the Coffer MAC address vendor
database (http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/)?
I have used this resource for years and I am now getting a permission error
(403 Forbidden) when I try to go to any page on that site.
Otherwise, anyone have recommendations for
Straight from the source:
http://standards.ieee.org/develop/regauth/oui/public.html
-Randy
- Original Message -
Is anyone on the list that knows about the Coffer MAC address vendor
database (http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/)?
I have used this resource for years and I am now
- Original Message -
From: Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org
To: Franck Martin fra...@genius.com
Cc: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com, NANOG list nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March, 2011 1:41:45 PM
Subject: Re: IPv6? Why, you are the first one to ask for it!
On 2011-03-01 22:16,
I don't know about that.
Even though the carriers (USA) I've talked to are having trouble presenting
native IPv6 to me in the next few quarters, they have no problem pitching
professional services to help me with the implementation. Several of my
hardware vendors have too. Don't be surprised
The board to the managers/sales people: Please explain us again why we
can't have more customers?
Let's be real for a second, there are plenty of backbone-ish companies that
have been around long enough to accumulate tons, and tons of IPv4 space.
I remember an old SP that used to give every
In message d338d1613b32624285bb321a5cf3db25130d83a...@ginga.ai.net, Deepak Ja
in writes:
The board to the managers/sales people: Please explain us again why we
can't have more customers?
Let's be real for a second, there are plenty of backbone-ish companies
that have been around long
- Original Message -
From: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com
I could buy that if it weren't for the fact that it took two days to
come back with that answer. An off the cuff wow, nobody has ever
asked me that before, I need to check on it would have been
understandable for a new rep.
Hi
I am conducting some research relating to BGP behaviour and I need some eBGP
multihop feeds - IPv4 and/or IPv6 eBGP, and full eBGP route table feeds please.
These are incoming feeds only (I will be announcing _nothing_ back in these
sessions - I'll filtering outbound and you should
On 01/03/11 12:07 PM, Jake Khuon wrote:
And I agree with the previous poster that in this day and age, it is
unlikely that the sales group of a global provider would not have
encountered such a request. If anything, they should have been hit with
those kinds of requests starting ten years ago.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com
On 03/01/2011 05:51 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Let us be clear: if you're getting digital telephone service from a
cable television provider, it is *not* VoIP, in the usage in which
most speakers mean that term -- Voice Over
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com
On 03/01/2011 05:51 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Let us be clear: if you're getting digital telephone service from a
cable television provider, it
What everyone is actually *selling* commercially, except for cable
providers, is *not* VoIP; it's a subset of that: VoN; Voice Over
Internet;
where the IP transport *goes over the public internet*, and through
whatever exchange points may be necessary to get from you to the
provider.
This
- Original Message -
From: Scott Helms khe...@ispalliance.net
Let us be clear: if you're getting digital telephone service from a
cable television provider, it is *not* VoIP, in the usage in which
most speakers mean that term -- Voice Over Internet is what they
should be saying,
On 03/01/2011 08:01 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Bret Palssonb...@getjive.com
VoN? Didn't know there was a difference. Same protocols, same
RTP,RTCP, Codecs, DSCP values. Am I missing something?
Well, you try to hold a conversation with
On 03/01/2011 07:51 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
As I said, this second channel doesn't exist in almost all cases (its
not cost effective nor needed in almost all cases). Having said that
over the top VOIP providers do suffer in comparison because they don't
get the benefit of prioritization in the
Works just fine. Yes that is one of the many tests we do. It's call
partnerships with carriers and prioritization. DSCP works wonders, so
do EF queues and policies, yes this is on the carrier side.
Sounds like you need a VoIP company that cares.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2011, at 9:03 PM,
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com
I wasn't suggesting QOS. I was suggesting *there's a completely
separate pipe*, on non-Internet connected IP transport, carrying only the
voice traffic, directly to a termination point, which is dedicated
from the
I'm sensing you have been burned badly by VoIP... which is too bad.
I'm going to step out of the conversation since no one but you is
likely to win. Which isn't a bad thing, but trying to help someone
understand a bit more about how some VoIP providers actually work now
a days, who have already
I guess I'll plug this Wikipedia page again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IPv6_support_by_major_transit_providers
--
Jeff S Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz
Sr Network Operator / Innovative Network Concepts
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote:
Note to providers: That might have worked a couple of years ago but
when we hear that today, we know it is false. Please be honest in your
responses to that question. If you aren't going to deploy it for
another year or two, just say so. The notion
Scott:
Are you saying that the large MSOs don't use CM configuration files that create
separate downstream and upstream service flows for Internet, voice signaling,
and voice bearer traffic?
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Scott Helms [mailto:khe...@ispalliance.net]
Sent: Tuesday,
I'm extremely annoyed by the marketing PR of those professional service arms
when their transit/service provide business doesn't have IPv6 fully deployed.
Please have your own house in order first, or be more humble about your
services, please.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: -Hammer-
thanks heaps everyone - I'm now well provisioned - now to configure them all!
Geoff
On 02/03/2011, at 1:53 PM, Geoff Huston wrote:
Hi
I am conducting some research relating to BGP behaviour and I need some eBGP
multihop feeds - IPv4 and/or IPv6 eBGP, and full eBGP route table feeds
On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Bret Palsson b...@getjive.com
VoN? Didn't know there was a difference. Same protocols, same
RTP,RTCP, Codecs, DSCP values. Am I missing something?
Well, you try to hold a conversation with someone while
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