Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-11 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tony Hain So take the relays out of the path by putting up a 6to4 router and a 2002:: prefix address on the content servers. Longest match will cause 6to4 connected systems to prefer that prefix while native connected systems will prefer the current prefix. The resulting IPv4 path will be

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 mei 2011, at 2:39, Karl Auer wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:19 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: For the record Apple's current iChat (the OS (10.6.7) is completely up to date) fails such a test. It will try IPv6 and not fallback to IPv4. End users shouldn't be seeing these sorts of errors.

RE: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-11 Thread Igor Gashinsky
On Tue, 10 May 2011, Frank Bulk wrote: :: If I can anticipate Igor's response, he'll say that he'll whitelist those :: IPv6-only networks and so he's just help 182,000 people. That's a very good guess as to what I was going to say :) -igor :: -Original Message- :: From: Owen DeLong

RE: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Keith Medcalf
Luis Marta wrote on 2011-05-10: In the EU you have Directive 2006/24/EC: http://eur- lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:105:0054:0063:EN:PDF Article 6 - Periods of retention Member States shall ensure that the categories of data specified in Article 5 are retained for

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Roland Perry
In article 5f713bd4b694ac42a8bb61aa6001a...@mail.dessus.com, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com writes Article 5 - Categories of data to be retained 1. Member States shall ensure that the following categories of data are retained under this Directive: (a) data necessary to trace and identify the

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Holstein
I wonder how things go if you challenge them in court. This is surely a topic for another list, but it seems to me it'd be fairly difficult to prove unless they downloaded part of the movie from your IP and verified that what they got really was a part of the movie. I have the netflow

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 03c70cde-8169-437b-8394-26f839413...@muada.com, Iljitsch van Beijn um writes: On 11 mei 2011, at 2:39, Karl Auer wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:19 +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: For the record Apple's current iChat (the OS (10.6.7) is completely up to date) fails such a test. It

Japan electrical power?

2011-05-11 Thread Robert Boyle
Hello, This is sort of off-topic, but no where near as much as half of the topics on NANOG. It is relevant to netops for anyone who has a presence in Japan. Does anyone on NANOG have firsthand in-depth knowledge of the electrical system in Japan? I know voltage varies from town to town and

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Ken Chase
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 09:56:56AM +0800, Ong Beng Hui said: while, I am not a lawyer, so what after they know who is using that broadband connection for that IP. So, they have identified the 80yr old, what next ? and what if i have a free-for-all wireless router in my house which

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: I wonder how things go if you challenge them in court.  This is surely a topic for another list, but it seems to me it'd be fairly difficult to prove unless they downloaded part of the movie from your IP and

Re: .io registrar

2011-05-11 Thread Kevin Loch
Jeremy Kister wrote: Does anyone know of a competent .io registrar who charges in the = $75/yr area ? I've been using tierra.net (domaindiscover.com) but they continually break my domains. this year, although their website says my domain expires 4/2012, my domain stopped working today.

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 mei 2011, at 16:39, William Astle wrote: I think the above two points illustrate precisely why so many networks in North America simply cannot deploy IPv6 whether they want to or not. We simply cannot obtain IPv6 transit from our upstreams. It's just not available. And the old line

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-May-11 16:39, William Astle wrote: [..] I think the above two points illustrate precisely why so many networks in North America simply cannot deploy IPv6 whether they want to or not. We simply cannot obtain IPv6 transit from our upstreams. It's just not available. And the old line

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Holstein
(it's one in a billion to crack it! beyond a reasonable doubt! we dont have anyone anywhere in our IT who could possibly crack it!) A billion iterations takes what fraction of a second using a high-end multi-card gamer rig and CUDA? (or for the cheap/lazy, a S3/Tesla instance). Even for

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Jima
On 05/11/2011 09:50 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 11 mei 2011, at 16:39, William Astle wrote: I think the above two points illustrate precisely why so many networks in North America simply cannot deploy IPv6 whether they want to or not. We simply cannot obtain IPv6 transit from our

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread james
I have had similar problems with our providers, and these are tier 1 companies that should have already been full deployed. These are also some of the more expensive providers on a per Mb basis. The one provider that was full IPv6 ready was Cogent. HE is also IPv6 (although we don't use them

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 5/11/2011 11:03 AM, ja...@jamesstewartsmith.com wrote: I have had similar problems with our providers, and these are tier 1 companies that should have already been full deployed. These are also some of the more expensive providers on a per Mb basis. The one provider that was full IPv6

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On May 10, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: On 5/10/11 9:07 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: A good reason why every ISP should have a published civil subpoena compliance fee. 23,000 * $150 each should only cost them

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: Courts like precedent. I choose Facebook's precedent. Seems reasonable to me. That's also roughly in line with Nextel and others for CALEA. Hrm, I had thought that CALEA specifically removed the

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread William Astle
On 2011-05-11 09:10, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 5/11/2011 11:03 AM, ja...@jamesstewartsmith.com wrote: I have had similar problems with our providers, and these are tier 1 companies that should have already been full deployed. These are also some of the more expensive providers on a per Mb

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On 5/11/11 11:19 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On May 10, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Mark Radabaughm...@amplex.net wrote: On 5/10/11 9:07 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: A good reason why every ISP should have a published civil subpoena compliance fee.

RE: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread George Bonser
Apparently the need for IPv6 isn't yet high enough to consider adding a transit provider. I've seen enough press releases from NTT and HE to know there's at least two that can do this out there. I believe the major holdup at this point is lack of v6 eyeballs. End user CPE, particularly

Re: Japan electrical power?

2011-05-11 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:08:00 AM Robert Boyle wrote: I know voltage varies from town to town and prefecture to prefecture. It seems most is 90V-110V. Also, part of the country is 50Hz and part is 60Hz.

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 mei 2011, at 19:01, George Bonser wrote: A couple of things you can do to check. First of all look for requests to your DNS servers for records and note where those are coming from. Firefox has for a long time done both A and lookups even if the system doesn't have IPv6. I

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 11, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 11 mei 2011, at 19:01, George Bonser wrote: A couple of things you can do to check. First of all look for requests to your DNS servers for records and note where those are coming from. Firefox has for a long time done

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Tore Anderson
* Iljitsch van Beijnum Firefox has for a long time done both A and lookups even if the system doesn't have IPv6. They fixed that in version 4.0, by calling getaddrinfo() with the AI_ADDRCONFIG flag (like most other browsers do). https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614526 --

RE: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread George Bonser
Now you're counting DNS servers. Because the provisioning of IPv6 DNS addresses has been such a mess and still is problematic, many dual stack systems do this over IPv4. And the DNS servers they talk to may be IPv4-only, or IPv4-only users may talk to dual stack DNS servers. Which is why I

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 mei 2011, at 19:32, George Bonser wrote: If the results of world IPv6 day are as we expect and only 0.1 - 0.2 % or less of all people have problems, I think the best way forward would be to have a second world IPv6 day where we again enable IPv6 industry- wide but this time we don't

Re: Japan electrical power?

2011-05-11 Thread Jay Nakamura
On May 11, 2011 10:09 AM, Robert Boyle rob...@tellurian.com wrote: Hello, I know voltage varies from town to town and prefecture to prefecture. No, it doesn't. Japan has two systems, both 100v, western Japan has 60Hz, eastern Japan has 50Hz.

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 11 May 2011 10:32:54 PDT, George Bonser said: 0.1% of users is a HUGE number if you have 1,000,000 subscribers. Are you prepared to field 1,000 helpdesk calls or lose 1,000 customers? Now imagine 100,000,000 subscribers. Are you ready for 10,000 support calls or the loss of 10,000

OT: Jay Adelson Keynote Video?

2011-05-11 Thread Tom Daly
Folks, At NANOG 43, Jay Adelson had a video clip in his presentation which celebrated the hilarity that customers create for network engineers. Does anyone have a link to the video? A review of the abstract (http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog43/abstracts.php?pt=NDMmbmFub2c0Mw==nm=nanog43) and

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 5/11/11 8:26 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: Courts like precedent. I choose Facebook's precedent. Seems reasonable to me. That's also roughly in line with Nextel and others for CALEA. Hrm, I

Re: Japan electrical power?

2011-05-11 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Robert Boyle rob...@tellurian.com wrote: Does anyone on NANOG have firsthand in-depth knowledge of the electrical system in Japan? I do not. However: http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2225.html The voltage in Japan is 100 Volt The frequency of electric current is

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/11/2011 11:21, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Unless you have a captive audience for customers, you probably have a churn rate higher than 0.1%*anyhow*. This argument has already been refuted many times. Let's assume that you're right about the churn rate. The issue is enterprises not

Re: OT: Jay Adelson Keynote Video?

2011-05-11 Thread kris foster
http://bitcast-b.bitgravity.com/bitgravity/nanog_5Mbit_720p_30fps.mov I believe this is it -- kris On May 11, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Tom Daly wrote: Folks, At NANOG 43, Jay Adelson had a video clip in his presentation which celebrated the hilarity that customers create for network engineers.

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 5/11/11 11:39 AM, George Bonser wrote: It depends. There are other things to take into account. If you increase the time it takes a mobile device to complete a transaction by only a couple of seconds, if you multiply those couple of seconds by all of the users in a large metro area, you

RE: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread George Bonser
So what's the alternative? Never change anything? Of course not. But the best course forward is going to be different for different folks. What might work best for me might not (probably WILL not) work best for everyone else. One has to look at their situation and plan the best path for their

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 5/11/11 8:26 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM, William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: Courts like precedent. I choose Facebook's precedent. Seems reasonable to me.

Re: Japan electrical power?

2011-05-11 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Wed May 11 13:22:18 2011 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:21:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Japan electrical power? From: Jay Nakamura zeusda...@gmail.com To: Robert Boyle rob...@tellurian.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org On May 11, 2011 10:09 AM, Robert

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread nick hatch
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: There are other things to take into account. If you increase the time it takes a mobile device to complete a transaction by only a couple of seconds, if you multiply those couple of seconds by all of the users in a

RE: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread George Bonser
I agree that seconds sometimes matters, but the latency of a transaction doesn't have a linear relationship with radio or battery usage on a mobile device. Because of the timers involved in the state transitions (eg CELL_FACH - CELL_DCH), a few seconds of extra latency often is

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 mei 2011, at 20:39, George Bonser wrote: So what's the alternative? Never change anything? Of course not. But the best course forward is going to be different for different folks. What might work best for me might not (probably WILL not) work best for everyone else. One has to look

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-05-11 Thread Tim Durack
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: No business is entitled to protection of its business model. Unless it has a market monopoly, deep pockets, and lobbyist friends.

Re: 23,000 IP addresses

2011-05-11 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: I have the netflow records to prove this is NOT the case. All MediaSentry (et.al.) do is scrape the tracker. We have also received a number of takedown notices that have numbers transposed, involve parts

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Painter
Tim Durack wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: No business is entitled to protection of its business model. Unless it has a market monopoly, deep pockets, and lobbyist friends.

Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-11 Thread ML
On 5/11/2011 11:03 AM, ja...@jamesstewartsmith.com wrote: I have had similar problems with our providers, and these are tier 1 companies that should have already been full deployed. These are also some of the more expensive providers on a per Mb basis. The one provider that was full IPv6

Re: Routing study

2011-05-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 21:43 11/05/2011 -0400, Vytautas Valancius wrote: Hi NANOG, From May 18th to June 18th Georgia Tech will conduct an Internet routing study using AS-PATH poisoning. We will insert AS numbers into one of our announcements to route around some networks. The study will *only* affect the the