Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-27 Thread Andris Kalnozols
Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote: I'm addicted to sipcalc: http://www.routemeister.net/projects/sipcalc/ It's available on standard repositories for MacPorts, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora. I guess install is straightforward in other platforms as well. regards Carlos

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 03:45, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On May 27, 2011, at 9:12 AM,valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: What do you do on Patch Tuesday? For that matter, what do you do when the latest 'cool' YouTube video go viral, or Amazon offer the next Lady GaGa album on sale

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 27 May 2011 10:49:05 BST, Adam Armstrong said: I'm talking of 1000 users on the end of a 1GE, not 50,000. I don't think either of these scenarios are worrying. 300MB takes 3seconds on 1GE or 30 seconds on 100M. The pont is that it takes a lot longer than 3 seconds if that uplink is

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 03:12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2011 23:48:48 BST, Adam Armstrong said: Finally, what do people think of selling a 1G service with 1G backhaul (and potentially 10s or 100s of customers buying this service alongside n*100s of customers with 100M service)?

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 27, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Adam Armstrong wrote: No SLA, residential customers. I would watch out for the 'abusers' in this case, and have the capability to rate-limit the ports if necessary. Some hardware doesn't deal well with 'small' buckets of rate-limiting, eg: taking a 1G port to

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 13:44, Jeroen van Ingen wrote: Hi Adam, I'm talking of 1000 users on the end of a 1GE, not 50,000. I don't think either of these scenarios are worrying. 300MB takes3seconds on 1GE or 30 seconds on 100M. I don't think those kinds of events will have an appreciable effect on the

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 13:45, Jared Mauch wrote: On May 27, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Adam Armstrong wrote: No SLA, residential customers. I would watch out for the 'abusers' in this case, and have the capability to rate-limit the ports if necessary. Some hardware doesn't deal well with 'small' buckets of

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Jacob Broussard
I don't use almost any bandwidth outside of Netflix, Steam game downloads, and getting my daily dose of streaming starcraft videos and ntop tells me I averaged 1.7mbps over the last month. Mind you this is on an 8mbps peak connection. With peak speeds of 8m I would be pissed if I was getting

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 14:02, Jacob Broussard wrote: I don't use almost any bandwidth outside of Netflix, Steam game downloads, and getting my daily dose of streaming starcraft videos and ntop tells me I averaged 1.7mbps over the last month. Mind you this is on an 8mbps peak connection. With peak

Re: New vyatta-nsp list

2011-05-27 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On May 24, 2011, at 7:52 PM, George Bonser wrote: The graphs show near 100% CPU usage at small packet sizes, and low PPS. That would lead to a pretty easy to launch DDoS against a software based router platform. Since there isn't a separation between control plane/forwarding plane, an

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Jacob Broussard
I apologize if you thought I was trying to call you out or correct you; I was merely trying to provide some perspective. Sorry if I came off as hostile. I understand that a 1000:1 does not mean that you get 1000th the backhaul speed, no need for the snarky remarks. I simply stated that it may

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 14:40, Jacob Broussard wrote: We offer peak speeds of 4mbps, and we have an extrordinary amount of people using (abusing as some would say) streaming video for many hours of the day causing headaches for us. You probably would be safe to assume that you can use a higher ratio

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-27 Thread William Allen Simpson
On 5/26/11 11:23 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Well there's a loaded question. ... I won't say that there aren't ham devices with an IP stack built in, but I think we're talking about

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Adam Armstrong li...@memetic.org I'm more interested in the levels of traffic that we will see consistently. You're planning to engage in Statistical Multiplexing, or what I've always termed bandwidth surfing: how hard can I oversubscribe my uplink without

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Michael Holstein
I am a student at UCLA Anderson School of Managment and my MBA field study team is working on a research that involves conducting a survey of CIOs, IT Managers/Administrators, IT Engineers to understand challenges in managing IT infrastructure. Could you please help by filling out this

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Adam Armstrong li...@memetic.org Statistics and graphs i've seen offlist have been very helpful, and suggest that 1000 100mbit customers is doable on 1GE. Probably. Atleast, today. Next year's (decade?) launch of the YouView platform in the UK should

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Shaun Bryant
I run a WISP, where we have moved customers from 3mb/s to 8mb/s to 20mb/s over the course of 5 years. We do this one tower at a time (about 150 customers) what we have learned is usage grows overtime not with the increase in available bandwidth. Our Per-Customer-Avg (PCA) stayed about the same

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 15:49, Shaun Bryant wrote: I run a WISP, where we have moved customers from 3mb/s to 8mb/s to 20mb/s over the course of 5 years. We do this one tower at a time (about 150 customers) what we have learned is usage grows overtime not with the increase in available bandwidth. Our

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Steven Bellovin
On May 27, 2011, at 10:24 22AM, Michael Holstein wrote: I am a student at UCLA Anderson School of Managment and my MBA field study team is working on a research that involves conducting a survey of CIOs, IT Managers/Administrators, IT Engineers to understand challenges in managing IT

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread JC Dill
On 27/05/11 7:24 AM, Michael Holstein wrote: I am a student at UCLA Anderson School of Managment and my MBA field study team is working on a research that involves conducting a survey of CIOs, IT Managers/Administrators, IT Engineers to understand challenges in managing IT infrastructure.

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Scott Brim
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:38, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote: The cynic in me wonders how they will track how many people I forwarded this to. I plan to win the prize for the person who refers the survey to the most number of people by forwarding it to millions of people.  :-) (I

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Adam Armstrong
On 27/05/2011 15:23, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Armstrongli...@memetic.org Residence customers will tolerate a lot more oversubscription than business, enterprise, and server going on down the list of oversubscription, but happily *up* the list of how much can

RE: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Sunder Rajan, Archana Devi
[Steve Wrote] as an academic who frequently does research involving human subjects, generally including surveys -- that this is a very normal way to proceed. Finding enough subjects is always hard; it's the single biggest obstacle we encounter. Paying people is the usual approach, but for a

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Michael Holstein
sponsored by Cisco. Uh huh .. Do you expect to invest in a comprehensive tool that solves all the challenges identified in question 4? Not picking on you personally .. but let's call a spade a spade, shall we? .. this is market research sponsored by a vendor with a hat in the game. Not

Re: IT Survey Request: Win an iPad2 or Kindle!

2011-05-27 Thread Fred Baker
On May 27, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Michael Holstein wrote: Not picking on you personally .. but let's call a spade a spade, shall we? .. this is market research sponsored by a vendor with a hat in the game. Not exactly objective, and wasn't disclosed up-front. OK, let me step in here. This was

Weekly Routing Table Report

2011-05-27 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Adam Armstrong li...@memetic.org wrote: Do any of you have any pointers on how to go about predicting usage for high-speed ethernet access? Finally, what do people think of selling a 1G service with 1G backhaul (and potentially 10s or 100s of customers buying

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Scott Weeks
li...@memetic.org wrote: From: Adam Armstrong li...@memetic.org I'm more interested in the levels of traffic that we will see consistently. - From experience, one thing's for sure. No matter how you end up estimating traffic

BGP Update Report

2011-05-27 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 19-May-11 -to- 26-May-11 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS982965222 4.0% 70.1 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 2 - AS14420

The Cidr Report

2011-05-27 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri May 27 21:12:07 2011 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

RE: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-27 Thread Frank Bulk
Wow, that works out be a per-connect max of 785 kbps. Frank -Original Message- From: Adam Armstrong [mailto:li...@memetic.org] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 7:54 AM To: Jeroen van Ingen Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths On 27/05/2011 13:44, Jeroen van

RE: New vyatta-nsp list

2011-05-27 Thread George Bonser
Every tool has its use. Also, they have several different sized appliances. How much CPU use you get depends on how many cores you throw at the problem. They can use multiple cores/processors. The result given in one test might not match someone else's test if they have higher end

Re: New vyatta-nsp list

2011-05-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, May 27, 2011, George Bonser wrote: It's actually rather hard with current pc hardware to get to multiple cores engaged in paralell per input interfaces. while you can plan for various cases the the one to account for is the small packet performance not overwhelming the