Re: Question about migrating to IPv6 with multiple upstreams.

2011-06-12 Thread Seth Mos
Op 12 jun 2011, om 03:50 heeft Randy Carpenter het volgende geschreven: I have an interesting situation at a business that I am working on. We currently have the office set up with redundant connections for their mission critical servers and such, and also have a (cheap) cable modem for

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up. - Land Assistance...

2011-06-12 Thread Don Gould
On 12/06/2011 1:42 a.m., Lynda wrote: Mostly, I've just ignored this, As do I with most treads on this list. However I found the link in the OP's post offensive on so many different levels that I choose to put some comment in with a great deal of subtly and hopefully a little humour.

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Don Gould
On 12/06/2011 1:02 p.m., Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 11, 2011, at 15:16, Jeroen van Aartjer...@mompl.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: some of us try to get work done from home. and anyone who has worked and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds are a joke, even for

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Don Gould
100mbit is not luxury, it's something my business needs all it's customers to have to drive more uptake of my services. My customers already have 10/1 today. Now I need them to have 100/40 so they have a reason to buy other CPE that in turn drives my business. See:

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:41:17PM -0400, Kevin Loch wrote: VRRPv3 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5798) is still a bit broken in that it makes mention of MUST advertise RA's That's unintentional as per recent discussion on IETF VRRP mailing list where I seeked for clarification as JUNOS

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 09:12:26PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: You must have RA to at least tell you: Default Router Go ask the DHCP server (M and/or O bit) As it currently stands, an RFC-compliant host will not attempt to solicit a DHCP response unless it receives an RA with the

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 jun 2011, at 16:39, David Conrad wrote: There is no point in repeating all the IPv4 mistakes with IPv6, if that's what you want, stay on IPv4. As should be apparent by now, the vast majority of people don't want to move to IPv6. They simply want access to the Internet. ISPs are

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11 jun 2011, at 17:05, Owen DeLong wrote: Your doctor doesn't just give you the medicine you ask for either. You are not talking about a doctor/patient scenario here where the doctor is an expert and the people asking for this have no medical training. Here, we are talking about

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12 jun 2011, at 12:35, Daniel Roesen wrote: Could you point to any RFC which implies or explicitly states that DHCPv6 MUST NOT be used in absence of RA with M and/or O=1? But what's the alternative? Always run DHCPv6 even if there are no router advertisements or router advertisements with

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Fabio Mendes
2011/6/11 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local prefix and default route is. As such, there's no reason why the router should try to register a DNS entry. On the other hand, the host could (and

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Arturo Servin
On 12 Jun 2011, at 09:38, Fabio Mendes wrote: 2011/6/11 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local prefix and default route is. As such, there's no reason why the router should try to register a

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: But what's the alternative? Always run DHCPv6 even if there are no router advertisements or router advertisements with O=0, M=0? Yes. Like I said before, that would pollute the network with many

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
dynamic dns update has been done by hosts for some time... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2136.txt On Jun 12, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Fabio Mendes wrote: 2011/6/11 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:30:26PM -0300, Fabio Mendes wrote: The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local prefix and default route is.  As such, there's no reason

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:04:41PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 12 jun 2011, at 12:35, Daniel Roesen wrote: Could you point to any RFC which implies or explicitly states that DHCPv6 MUST NOT be used in absence of RA with M and/or O=1? But what's the alternative? Always run

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:38:32AM -0300, Fabio Mendes wrote: 2011/6/11 Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local prefix and default route is. As such, there's no reason why the router should try to

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:59:50AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: The router isn't assigning an address, it's merely telling everyone on the segment what the local prefix and default route is.  As such, there's no reason

Re: Strongest Solar Tsunami in Years to Hit Earth Today

2011-06-12 Thread Scott Howard
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 03:22:59PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/159964/20110609/nasa-solar-flare-tsunami-earth-sun-radio-satellite-interference-aurora-displays-coronal-mass-ejectio.htm

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On 6/12/11 1:04 PM, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote: On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote: On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote: Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but things may change if I put a tower on the property. HughesNet seems to relax

Re: IPv6 day fun is beginning!

2011-06-12 Thread Brzozowski, John
You might want to consider 655 or 825 from Dlink and the Apple Airport Extreme and Time Capsule. We have had a pretty good experience with these models thus far. John = John Jason Brzozowski Comcast Cable e) mailto:john_brzozow...@cable.comcast.com o)

RE: Yup; the Internet is screwed up. - WISPs

2011-06-12 Thread Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D.
You might contact SkyBeam out of Denver. They have been buying up most of the independent WISPs in my area. They seem to be expanding at a rapid rate. They currently rent my tower for one of their nodes. You might also look for a WISP mailing list to post the question on. I do not know what the

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:04:46AM -0600, Christopher J. Pilkington wrote: On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roy wrote: On 6/11/2011 4:29 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote: Options seem to be limited to HughesNet and dial for the moment, but things may change if I put a tower on the property.

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Jeff Kell
On 6/12/2011 11:44 AM, Matthew Palmer wrote: I don't believe we were talking about DHCPv6, we were talking about SLAAC. And I *still* think it's a better idea for the client to be registering itself in DNS; the host knows what domain(s) it should be part of, and hence which names refer to

RE: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D.
Good point. That is exactly how I got into the business. I had to have a T1 line run to the house to get enough bandwidth. At 425.33 a month, I decided to have some of my students setup a WISP at my place so the neighbors would pay for the data line instead of me. For equipment and software look

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Barry Shein
On June 11, 2011 at 20:53 jle...@lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote: Have you heard the joke...ISDN = I Still Don't kNow? For whatever reason, BRI service is something the US telcos apparently never really wanted to sell...perhaps because it might have cut into their T1 business. FWIW,

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12 jun 2011, at 15:45, Leo Bicknell wrote: Like I said before, that would pollute the network with many multicasts which can seriously degrade wifi performance. Huh? This is no worse than IPv4 where a host comes up and sends a subnet-broadcast to get DHCP. The IPv4 host does this once

RE: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D.
Sure its old and slow, but it is or at least was readily available to use poor country folk that cannot get DSL and so forth. The failback positions when all else is unavailable is analog, ISDN, or T1 from a landline, satellite or a WISP through the air with cellular data becoming more of an

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread TR Shaw
When I had mine years ago I was lucky that ISDN in FL was unmetered which was no the case in other locales. However it took forever to get it installed and working correctly. Bell South had to change out pairs and get a tech from 200 miles away to get it installed right. Today, the central

Re: Question about migrating to IPv6 with multiple upstreams.

2011-06-12 Thread Randy Carpenter
Prefix translation looks to be exactly what we need to do here. Thanks for all of the replies. -Randy On Jun 12, 2011, at 2:42, Seth Mos seth@dds.nl wrote: Op 12 jun 2011, om 03:50 heeft Randy Carpenter het volgende geschreven: I have an interesting situation at a business that I

ip 6 questions

2011-06-12 Thread Deric Kwok
Hi Our company will prepare ipv6. I have the following questions We will apply ipv6 from ARIN and try to use it in hosting business 1/ Can we use it in our current AS which is using ipv4? If not. Do we have to apply new AS? 2/ Can arin not allow us to apply ipv4 for the future after we apply

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 6/10/2011 7:04 AM, Scott Brim wrote: The Internet is now more important than electricity or water -- This being a silly Sunday, I'm rolling that around on my tongue and savoring it a bit. While the image of a desiccated user, still typing away, is appealing -- but possibly not all

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com said: The attraction of DSL was, among other things, that it was nailed down to one and only one service provider, you couldn't just dial some other provider like with ISDN. When BellSouth switched their DSL from PVC-per-customer to PPPoE, it

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:16, Jeroen van Aart jer...@mompl.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: some of us try to get work done from home.  and anyone who has worked and/or lived in a first world country thinks american 'broadband' speeds are a joke, even for a home network. I understand, but I

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net said: I need 100Mbs at home because I want to see a streamed movie NOW, not in a month because someone considers broadband a luxury :) Pretty simple usage scenario I might say. The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Max Pierson
When BellSouth switched their DSL from PVC-per-customer to PPPoE I remember having to compress the config due to static pvc config on many of 7204/6 kit, the switch made it much more intuitive to manage. -- m On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 6/12/2011 4:01 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: IPv6 address configuration is a house of cards. Touch it and it all comes crashing down. DHCPv6 has a number of significant flaws, and the interaction between DHCPv6 and router advertisements only barely makes sense. Well, at least you're

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that is not used on most titles. Over-the-air HDTV is 19 megabits or less. Cable HD channels are often only 12-15 megabits per second. Chris glances off, but doesn't

Re: ip 6 questions

2011-06-12 Thread Tom Hill
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 14:46 -0400, Deric Kwok wrote: We will apply ipv6 from ARIN and try to use it in hosting business 1/ Can we use it in our current AS which is using ipv4? If not. Do we have to apply new AS? No, you can route IPv6 IPv4 from the same ASN. 2/ Can arin not allow us to

Re: ip 6 questions

2011-06-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12 jun 2011, at 20:46, Deric Kwok wrote: 1/ Can we use it in our current AS which is using ipv4? Yes. 2/ Can arin not allow us to apply ipv4 for the future after we apply ipv6? They're going to do that anyway once they run out, but it's not like you have v6 so you don't need more v4.

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com said: - Original Message - From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net The top profile for Blu-Ray is 36 megabits per second, and that is not used on most titles. Over-the-air HDTV is 19 megabits or less. Cable HD channels are often only

Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

2011-06-12 Thread Johnny Eriksson
dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote: While the image of a desiccated user, still typing away, is appealing -- but possibly not all that remarkable, given recent reports of Internet addiction -- what's especially tasty is the idea of having an Internet connection that works without electricity... About

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Seth Mos
Op 12 jun 2011, om 12:05 heeft Daniel Roesen het volgende geschreven: VRRP communications itself is via link-local addresses. There is a requirement to have a link-local virtual address as well, but there might be many more, e.g. global scope. In FreeBSD with pfSense I use CARP with a v6

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Karl Auer
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 01:44 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: And I *still* think it's a better idea for the client to be registering itself in DNS; the host knows what domain(s) it should be part of, and hence which names refer to itself and should be updated with it's new address. Having tried

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:12:02PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 12 jun 2011, at 15:45, Leo Bicknell wrote: Like I said before, that would pollute the network with many multicasts which can seriously degrade wifi performance. Huh? This is no worse than IPv4 where a host comes

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 01:46:20PM -0400, Jeff Kell wrote: On 6/12/2011 11:44 AM, Matthew Palmer wrote: I don't believe we were talking about DHCPv6, we were talking about SLAAC. And I *still* think it's a better idea for the client to be registering itself in DNS; the host knows what

Re: IPv6 and DNS

2011-06-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:56:59AM +1000, Karl Auer wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 01:44 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: And I *still* think it's a better idea for the client to be registering itself in DNS; the host knows what domain(s) it should be part of, and hence which names refer to

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:12:02PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: The IPv4 host does this once and gets its lease. If there is no DHCPv6 server then DHCPv6 clients would keep broadcasting forever. Not a good thing. DHCP today uses an exponential backoff if there is no

Re: The stupidity of trying to fix DHCPv6

2011-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: DHCP today uses an exponential backoff if there is no response, I don't see why that can't be kept in IPv6.  Plus I wonder how long users would keep on machines that get no useable network connectivity. I really think the

Actual IPv6 test day issue

2011-06-12 Thread Chris Adams
So I found out I had an actual end-user issue related to IPv6 test day. My mother couldn't get to our webmail with her BN Nook Color (based on Android 2.3). I went over and couldn't connect with my T-Mobile G2 (Android 2.2) either. Their connection is via DSL and does not have IPv6 configured,

Anyone from Charter on here?

2011-06-12 Thread Mike Lyon
Howdy, Would someone with network clue at Charter hit me up offlist? Need some assistance and I can't get past your wonderful support personnel. Thanks! Mike