I am trying to compare some pricing, anyone who has recently priced circuits
such as 208V/30A single and 3-phase (max load factor of 40% for A+B power),
could you tell me what you have been offered? I don't need the names of the
companies the pricing comes from, just trying to see a snapshot of
Randy:
as i agree that there is a problem, i *very* eagerly await your proposal
Reality: A few years back there were a half a dozen options proposed.
soBGP, pgBGP, IRR based solutions, etc. Just recently PSVs were
discussed and dismissed as a live option.
Why?
1. Only S-BGP/BGP-SEC will solve
On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
is anybody taking it seriously?
It's hard to take seriously any proposal which is predicated upon recursive
dependencies.
---
Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net //
On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Saku Ytti wrote:
People might scared to rely on DNS on accepting routes, but is this really an
issue?
Yes, recursive dependencies are an issue. I'm really surprised that folks are
even seriously considering something like this, but OTOH, this sort of thing
Anyone else having problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6?
$ host com.whois-servers.net
com.whois-servers.net is an alias for whois.verisign-grs.com.
whois.verisign-grs.com has address 199.7.59.74
whois.verisign-grs.com has IPv6 address 2001:503:3227:1060::74
$ traceroute6
Path is not the same, but the last few replies similarly suggest
packet-filters (!X in my case vs. !P).
I can get to the whois port (TCP/43):
$ telnet -6 2001:503:3227:1060::74 whois
Trying 2001:503:3227:1060::74...
Connected to 2001:503:3227:1060::74.
Escape character is '^]'.
Can you?
Tony
Nope sure can't
$ telnet -6 2001:503:3227:1060::74 whois
2001:503:3227:1060::74: nodename nor servname provided, or not known
Tom
On May 1, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Tony Tauber wrote:
Path is not the same, but the last few replies similarly suggest
packet-filters (!X in my case vs. !P).
I can
On 4/26/12 5:47 PM, Paul Graydon p...@paulgraydon.co.uk wrote:
Based on conversations on this list a month or so ago, ISPs were
contacted with details of which of their IPs had compromised boxes
behind them, but it seems the consensus is that ISP were going to just
wait for users to phone support
On 4/26/12 10:03 PM, Jeff Kell jeff-k...@utc.edu wrote:
And what about the millions of users unknowingly infected with
something else ??
(We have enough trouble isolating/remediating issues among our
relatively small user base, I'd hate to be facing a major ISP size
support/remediation
Anyone else having problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6?
whois -h 2001:503:ff39:1060::74 verisign-grs.com
works for me.
jaap
Seems to work for me
mps31@lonsgnsu1:~$ telnet -6 2001:503:3227:1060::74 whois
Trying 2001:503:3227:1060::74...
Connected to 2001:503:3227:1060::74.
Escape character is '^]'.
mps31@lonsgnsu1:~$ whois -h 2001:503:3227:1060::74 =verisign.com
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com
This looks to be more of an application issue for you.
The rest seems to work for me:
puck:~$ whois -h 2001:503:ff39:1060::74 verisign-grs.com
[Querying 2001:503:ff39:1060::74]
[2001:503:ff39:1060::74]
Whois Server Version 2.0
...
- Jared
On May 1, 2012, at 8:23 AM, TR Shaw wrote:
Nope
On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 08:01 -0400, TR Shaw wrote:
Anyone else having problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6?
Testing it using the NLNOG ring (https://ring.nlnog.net) shows that 3
nodes have routing issues, 92 have no problems reaching Verisign's whois
server on IPv6. So there
On May 1, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:05 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
is anybody taking it seriously?
It's hard to take seriously any proposal which is predicated upon recursive
dependencies.
Do you mean the need to be able to use rsync to fetch the data to enable
ISPs in the Netherlands have had a botnet treaty in effect since
2009, which calls for blocking, user notification, and inter-ISP
information sharing.
http://ripe59.ripe.net/presentations/huijbregts-botnet-convenant.pdf
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 12:26:20PM +, Livingood, Jason wrote:
At Comcast we have done the following:
- Sent emails
- Send postal mail
- Left voicemail
- Used automated outbound calling
- Used increasingly persistent web browser notifications
This is a reply to you, but it's intended to
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Teun Vink t...@teun.tv wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 08:01 -0400, TR Shaw wrote:
Anyone else having problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6?
Testing it using the NLNOG ring (https://ring.nlnog.net) shows that 3
nodes have routing issues, 92 have no
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:46:06 -0400
Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
We need more flexible, distributed architecture behind - no matter -
which interests will be lobbied as we have got already.
as i agree that there is a problem, i *very* eagerly await your
proposal
As Radia says in her
On May 1, 2012, at 8:18 PM, David Conrad wrote:
Do you mean the need to be able to use rsync to fetch the data to enable you
to use rsync?
A lot more than just rsync is necessary in order to allow rsync transactions to
work. But, you know this already.
;
Or the need to be able to use
On May 1, 2012, at 10:31 PM, John Kristoff wrote:
As Radia says in her book, we're probably stuck with BGP forever, but I
frequently wonder if she is right in suggesting we could have done
better by having a link state protocol instead.
At the time, link-state protocols weren't practical
Is there Comcast DNS person. Please, contact off list
--Andrey
Roland,
On May 1, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 8:18 PM, David Conrad wrote:
It's hard to take seriously any proposal which is predicated upon recursive
dependencies.
Do you mean the need to be able to use [X] to fetch the data to enable you
to use [X]?
A lot
Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN:
8
Greetings,
Limelight Networks periodically reviews its interconnection strategy to ensure
the quality and integrity of its interconnection between all its partners. We
have recently updated our requirements for settlement-free
Hi folks,
I wonder if anyone can recommend a network diagram tool that can show realtime
link utilization via snmp?
Mikrotik's The Dude app actually does exactly what I'm looking for, but the
snmp support for non-RouterOS devices seems to be lacking, as it simply won't
enumerate my switch
InfoVista Vista360 does it.
It's part of a bigger tool set and isn't cheap, but it's pretty cool.
Tate
On Tue, 1 May 2012 12:41:19 -0400, Hank Disuko wrote:
Hi folks,
I wonder if anyone can recommend a network diagram tool that can show
realtime link utilization via snmp?
Mikrotik's The Dude
cacti by use of weather maps?
Alternatively, Intermapper is pretty good, but commercial. It's more of an
NMS than a diagram tool though. Everywhere I used it, I was pretty happy
with it.
--Andrey
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Hank Disuko gourmetci...@hotmail.comwrote:
Hi folks,
I
On 2012-05-01 18:41, Hank Disuko wrote:
I wonder if anyone can recommend a network diagram tool that can show realtime
link utilization via snmp?
Were i work we do it with perl, rrdtool and graphviz - it's fairly
simple to put together, and that way, you get exactly what you need.
Cheers,
Netbrain OE does this.
David Barak
Sent from a mobile device, please forgive autocorrection.
On May 1, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Andrey Khomyakov khomyakov.and...@gmail.com
wrote:
cacti by use of weather maps?
Alternatively, Intermapper is pretty good, but commercial. It's more of an
NMS than a
On Tue, 1 May 2012, Rene Skjoldmose wrote:
On 2012-05-01 18:41, Hank Disuko wrote:
I wonder if anyone can recommend a network diagram tool that can show
realtime link utilization via snmp?
Were i work we do it with perl, rrdtool and graphviz - it's fairly simple to
put together, and that
On May 1, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Dominik Bay wrote:
Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN:
**snip**
Should your company decline this option, or if we do not have an agreement
regarding the settlement in place prior to May 31st 2012, Limelight Networks
will terminate the peering
On 05/01/2012 07:07 PM, Steven Noble wrote:
While I can understand having some peering requirements, the goal of any CDN
should be to have the best reach possible. Without knowing if this is PI
peering or just across a IX it is hard to judge what their (or your) costs
are. If it is IX it
I have discovered ITGuru works pretty good.
http://itnetworkguru.com/
-Grant
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
wrote:
On Tue, 1 May 2012, Rene Skjoldmose wrote:
On 2012-05-01 18:41, Hank Disuko wrote:
I wonder if anyone can recommend a network
On 5/1/12, Dominik Bay d...@rrbone.net wrote:
Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN:
8
Greetings,
Limelight Networks [has] recently updated our requirements for
settlement-free peering
This letter is to notify you that yyy no longer meets our minimum
requirements.
Right on
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On May 1, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Dominik Bay d...@rrbone.net wrote:
Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN:
8
Greetings,
Limelight Networks periodically reviews its interconnection strategy to
ensure the quality and integrity of its
Hi Rens,
I work with one of the leading satellite providers. Depending on the customer
type, we deploy a number of solutions (some work better for some, some work
better for others). Most off-the-shelf solutions are more or less designed in
a client/server manner (the optimizations they
Yes, recursive dependencies are an issue. I'm really surprised that folks
are even seriously considering something like this, but OTOH, this sort of
thing keeps cropping up in various contexts from time to time, sigh.
There are only a couple of ways to get past recursive dependencies.
You
Thanks, I'll see if I can pull the correct OID and try it with the Dude again.
Also, thanks to everyone who has responded. I realize the term realtime is
subjective - I'm looking for near-realtime...maybe a 30 second interval.
I've been playing around with Intermapper for about 30 minutes
we use cacti weathermap plugin, though obviously realtime has a
dependency on your sample interval. I'm presuming your definition
thereof isn't instantaneous monitoring of queue depth.
On 5/1/12 10:49 , Hank Disuko wrote:
Thanks, I'll see if I can pull the correct OID and try it with the Dude
On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote:
On 5/1/12, Dominik Bay d...@rrbone.net wrote:
Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN:
8
Greetings,
Limelight Networks [has] recently updated our requirements for
settlement-free peering
I love the fact Dominik says
on intermapper, simply right click the link, select 'status window' and you
will get all kinds of nice info. be sure to use the bandwidth command on
the interface if you are not using the default 10/100/1000/10gig. also,
the links turn yellow and orange as the line becomes more saturated (and
On 05/01/2012 08:08 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Instead, let's focus on the operational impact. Will the reduced complexity
on these networks result in improved performance? Irrelevant to performance?
Decreased performance? Maybe even whether that change in performance is an
On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote:
If I'm willing to go to your location, buy the card for your router
and pay you for the staff hours to set it up, there should be *no*
situation in which I'm willing to accept your traffic
On May 1, 2012, at 14:43 , William Herrin wrote:
On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote:
If I'm willing to go to your location, buy the card for your router
and pay you for the staff hours to set it up, there should be *no*
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:23:07PM +0200, Dominik Bay
wrote:
Feeding via some bigger peer networks oder classic transit
You have made the assumption that their choice is peering with your
network or sending it out transit. They may in fact peer with your
upstream.
That
On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 21:50 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
- the RIPE NCC is now funding a project for which there is no
consensus policy supported by the RIPE community, and is doing this on
the basis of a hair's breath majority vote amongst its membership.
Not only were the vote extremely
On Tue, 01 May 2012 10:40:57 -0400, Rich Kulawiec said:
Why haven't you cut these obviously-infected systems off entirely?
There's quite likely multiple systems behind a NAT-ish router, and Comcast
doesn't have any real option but to nuke *all* the systems behind the router.
This can be a tad
On 05/01/2012 09:17 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:23:07PM +0200, Dominik Bay
wrote:
Feeding via some bigger peer networks oder classic transit
You have made the assumption that their choice is peering with your
network or sending it out transit.
On 5/1/12 3:19 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edumailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
valdis.kletni...@vt.edumailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2012 10:40:57 -0400, Rich Kulawiec said:
Why haven't you cut these obviously-infected systems off entirely?
There's quite likely multiple systems
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:41:35PM +, Livingood, Jason
wrote:
All of this above! Plus, the remediation tools to clean up an infection are
insufficient to the task right now. Better tools are needed. (See also
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6561#section-5.4)
Hey
A customer pays you to build a piece of software by the hour. Another
comes along and asks for the same software. You bill both for each
hour. Double billing. Unethical. Wrong.
A customer pays you to deliver a packet to the Internet. You talk to
the packet's destination and say, Hey, I'll deliver
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:23:07PM +0200, Dominik Bay
wrote:
Feeding via some bigger peer networks oder classic transit
You have made the assumption that their choice is peering with your
network or
On May 1, 2012, at 16:24 , Jerry Dent wrote:
Lets be honest. There are a million reasons we can all come up with to
try and justify something like this but 99% of the time it is just the
larger isp trying to throw their weight around in the name of greed.
In the end, the customers of both
Greetings...
What are people using for IPv6 monitoring - in particular, for monitoring
services such as DNS, Web, E-mail, etc. ?
Nagios seems the people's choice. Any others...open source or commercial ?
TIA...
Vyto
About support: I only had good experience with their support, but that were
the days Janice still worked there. Haven't used them in over a year, so
not sure what they are up to right now.
--Andrey
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Ben Bartsch uwcable...@gmail.com wrote:
on intermapper, simply
We are using Solarwinds on our systems. it's one commercial system to
consider.
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Vytautas V Grigaliunas [mailto:v...@fnal.gov]
Sent: May-01-12 4:31 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: IPv6 monitoring...
Greetings...
What are people using for IPv6
Yo Vytautas!
On Tue, 1 May 2012 20:31:08 +
Vytautas V Grigaliunas v...@fnal.gov wrote:
Nagios seems the people's choice. Any others...open source or
commercial ?
Icinga. A fork of nagios
RGDS
GARY
---
Gary E.
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 02:43:50PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote:
If I'm willing to go to your location, buy the card for your router
and pay you for the staff hours to set it up, there
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Vytautas V Grigaliunas v...@fnal.gov wrote:
What are people using for IPv6 monitoring - in particular, for monitoring
services such as DNS, Web, E-mail, etc. ?
Nagios seems the people's choice. Any others...open source or commercial ?
We use a combination of
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 16:24 , Jerry Dent wrote:
Lets be honest. There are a million reasons we can all come up with to
try and justify something like this but 99% of the time it is just the
larger isp trying to throw
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Jerry Dent wrote:
Can be for the end users if they wind up on a less direct network path.
Direct is not the only measure.
I would take a 4-hop, 10GE, no packet loss path over a 1-hop, 1GE,
5% packet loss path any day of the week.
On 01/05/12 12:51 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:41:35PM +, Livingood, Jason
wrote:
All of this above! Plus, the remediation tools to clean up an infection are
insufficient to the task right now. Better tools are needed. (See also
On 5/1/12, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote:
A customer pays you to build a piece of software by the hour. Another
comes along and asks for the same software. You bill both for each
hour. Double billing. Unethical. Wrong.
[...]
Neither of these is unethical or wrong in any way. What
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
In a message written on Tue, May 01, 2012 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Jerry Dent
wrote:
Can be for the end users if they wind up on a less direct network path.
Direct is not the only measure.
I would take a 4-hop, 10GE, no
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 14:43 , William Herrin wrote:
On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On May 1, 2012, at 13:26 , William Herrin wrote:
If I'm willing to go to your location, buy the card for your
On Tue, 01 May 2012 14:27:50 -0700, Mike Hale said:
Mike - please get mail software that does correct quoting. It's 2012, and
proper quoting has been understood since the mid 80s. There's *really* no
excuse for using software that can't get quoting and citing right.
*eye roll*
Really?
On 5/1/2012 5:20 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2012 14:13:01 -0700, Mike Hale said:
But you *may not* tie your
price to the hours used to produce it for the first.
The above was William Herrin's comment (quoting level fixed by me).
Mike - please get mail software that
On Tue, 01 May 2012 18:03:06 -0400, David Miller said:
From an accounting perspective, every RD effort that I have seen or
been a part of was not billed to any customer. RD has always, in my
experience, been an internal charge against a company's own profits.
RIght - and when pricing the
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM, David Miller dmil...@tiggee.com wrote:
From an accounting perspective, every RD effort that I have seen or
been a part of was not billed to any customer. RD has always, in my
experience, been an internal charge against a company's own profits.
Hi David,
That's
I can't agree with this. You are assuming a cost-plus model. Many things are
market-priced.
If you are the only game in town, and you have a great product, you sell it for
the most you can. You aren't a charity.
The customer always has the option to not buy your product.
-
The server doesn't do PMTUD properly. Verisign were informed of this
a while back. How hard is it to let ICMPv6 PTB in so that PMTUD works?
% whois -h 2001:503:3227:1060::74 example.com
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many
On 5/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
I love the fact Dominik says from a CDN, then leaves Limelight's name in
the text. :)
[snip]
So a CDN made the mistake of attempting to monetize an existing
peering arrangement without first having a signed peering arrangement
in place for
On Tue, 01 May 2012 18:46:56 -0400, Alex Rubenstein said:
If you are the only game in town, and you have a great product, you sell it
for the most you can.
Pay attention. What I said:
going to have to charge at least $3,160 a copy to make a profit on the
project.
*at least*. You can
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:
The server doesn't do PMTUD properly. Verisign were informed of this
a while back. How hard is it to let ICMPv6 PTB in so that PMTUD works?
% whois -h 2001:503:3227:1060::74 example.com
Whois Server Version 2.0
Domain
On May 2, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Russ White wrote:
There are situations where it won't work (mostly thinking high mobility
environments, or complete system failures), but these don't seem to be big
stoppers, to me
Within the next 10 years, everything/everywhere is going to become a
Morning,
I have no idea what's really going on at LLNW, but I thought I'd still
share an alternative view on this matter:
My understanding is that LLNW is spending tons of money to upgrade some
of their IXP connections to 100GbE in Europe. With that in mind, I'm not
that surprised if they
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