isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread paul vixie
greetings. i didn't notice this before, and i want to complete the record. i'm paying more attention to the quoting this time, too. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:33:28PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote: Paul will be

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
fwiw, i think isc and isc staff are very well intentioned and do a lot of good work for the community. i have doubts about isc's business model, but definitely not that it makes too much money or is greedy. maybe a bit too much layer ten for my taste. and i run and appreciate the software.

Bogon list update for prefix for 5.1.0.0/19

2012-05-28 Thread Evgeniy Aikashev
Dear all, We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our customers have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs. Could you please update your bogon filters to permit this range. Thanks. -- Best regards, Evgeniy Aikashev network engineer PJSC DATAGROUP

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread paul vixie
On 5/28/2012 11:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote: ... maybe a bit too much layer ten for my taste. ... on that, we're trying to improve. for example, we used to forego features that some of us found repugnant, such as nxdomain remapping / ad insertion. since the result was that our software was less

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:32 AM, paul vixie vi...@isc.org wrote: i'm paying more attention to the quoting this time, too. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:33:28PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:40 AM,  bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote: Paul will be there to turn

DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Anurag Bhatia
Greetings everyone! One small concern I wanted to discuss here. I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. They demand at least 1 DNS server should be on different subnet for failover reasons (old thoughts). How one can deal with

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread David Conrad
Anurag, On May 28, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Anurag Bhatia wrote: I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. They demand at least 1 DNS server should be on different subnet for failover reasons (old thoughts). IMHO appropriately so.

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Tony Finch
Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: One small concern I wanted to discuss here. I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. They demand at least 1 DNS server should be on different subnet for failover reasons (old

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Anurag Bhatia
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: One small concern I wanted to discuss here. I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. They demand at least 1 DNS

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:21:10AM +0530, Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote a message of 28 lines which said: I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. Since my employer is one of these registries, let me mention

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 28, 2012, at 15:24 , Anurag Bhatia wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: One small concern I wanted to discuss here. I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Anurag Bhatia
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.netwrote: On May 28, 2012, at 15:24 , Anurag Bhatia wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: One small concern I wanted to discuss here. I know few

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: paul vixie vi...@isc.org On 5/28/2012 11:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote: ... maybe a bit too much layer ten for my taste. ... on that, we're trying to improve. for example, we used to forego features that some of us found repugnant, such as nxdomain remapping /

Re: Vixie warns: DNS Changer ‘blackouts’ inevitable

2012-05-28 Thread Florian Weimer
[Dnschanger substitute server operations] One thing is clear, Paul is able to tell a great story. PR for ISC is somewhat limited, it's often attributed to the FBI: | The effort, scheduled to begin this afternoon, is designed to let | those people know that their Internet connections will stop

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread George Herbert
It's past given that large entities that can forge the use of BIND; at that point, engineering aside, Paul's point that the market and code have spoken is hard to deny. Sucks when it works against us... George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 12:52, Jay Ashworth

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-05-28 Thread Paul Vixie
more threads from the crypt as i catch up to 6000 missed nanog posts. Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net writes: On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: People might scared to rely on DNS on accepting routes, but is this really an issue? Yes, recursive dependencies are an issue. I'm

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
I am building redundancy within that setup. I mean it will be software based BGP so if hardware if fried up, it will break BGP session and pull off routes anyway and for cases like DNS server (software) failure, I will monitor it via simple bash script which can turn bgp daemon down. So once

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread maxlarson . henry
Q --Message d'origine-- De : Randy Bush À : Anurag Bhatia Cc : NANOG Mailing List Objet : Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies Envoyé : 28 mai, 2012 17:03 I am building redundancy within that setup. I mean it will be software based BGP

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Paul Vixie
(all caught up after this.) Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com writes: - Original Message - From: paul vixie vi...@isc.org On 5/28/2012 11:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote: ... maybe a bit too much layer ten for my taste. ... on that, we're trying to improve. for example, we used to forego

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
maxlarson.he...@transversal.ht wrote: Q --Message d'origine-- De : Randy Bush À : Anurag Bhatia Cc : NANOG Mailing List Objet : Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies Envoyé : 28 mai, 2012 17:03 ... Envoyé par mon BlackBerry de

Re: Bogon list update for prefix for 5.1.0.0/19

2012-05-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/28/12 6:31 AM, Evgeniy Aikashev wrote: Dear all, We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our customers have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs. Could you please update your bogon filters to permit this range. Do you have a test IP address

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Max Larson Henry
off topic. I have to do a better job to prevent my 5 year old daughter from touching my phone :) -M On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: maxlarson.he...@transversal.ht wrote: Q --Message d'origine-- De : Randy Bush À : Anurag Bhatia Cc : NANOG Mailing

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-05-28 Thread David Conrad
On May 28, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: third, rsync's dependencies on routing (as in the RPKI+ROA case) are not circular (which i think was david conrad's point but i'll drag it to here.) Nope. My point was that anything that uses the Internet to fetch the data (including rsync) has a

Re: Bogon list update for prefix for 5.1.0.0/19

2012-05-28 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 04:31:34PM +0300, Evgeniy Aikashev wrote: We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our customers have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs. Could you please update your bogon filters to permit this range. You're probably going

Re: Bogon list update for prefix for 5.1.0.0/19

2012-05-28 Thread David Conrad
On May 28, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 04:31:34PM +0300, Evgeniy Aikashev wrote: We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our customers have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs. Could you please update your bogon

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-05-28 Thread paul vixie
On 5/28/2012 9:42 PM, David Conrad wrote: On May 28, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: third, rsync's dependencies on routing (as in the RPKI+ROA case) are not circular (which i think was david conrad's point but i'll drag it to here.) Nope. My point was that anything that uses the Internet

Re: Comcast Service for Non-Cap Bandwidth

2012-05-28 Thread PC
While I still don't agree it's fair, that arrangement seems limited to the viewing of the Xfinity TV application via XBOX for subscribers who have both an internet and cable TV package via Comcast and not XBOX in general. None the less, the cap is 250gb at the moment, and only applies to

Re: Comcast Service for Non-Cap Bandwidth

2012-05-28 Thread ryan
On 27.05.2012 22:27, Nabil Sharma wrote: NANOG List, I am developing streaming video service, and seek your feedback... I would like to pay Comcast forward so that accessing our site does not count against user's bandwidth caps, similar to the arrangement made with Microsoft Xbox.

NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org *Now*, you see, we no longer have a canonical Good Engineering Example to which we can point when yelling at people (and software vendors) which *do* permit that, to say see? You shouldn't be doing that; it's bad. The

RE: Comcast Service for Non-Cap Bandwidth

2012-05-28 Thread Nabil Sharma
PC: Thank you for the reply. We will not encourage customers to disconnect cable TV service, think of it more like an add-on. I generate http test stream with DSCP code point 5 to match the Xbox service, however Comcast is rewriting the packets as CS 1, even when serving out a server at Soft

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 09:32:29PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:21:10AM +0530, Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote a message of 28 lines which said: I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 5/28/12, Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org wrote: [snip] if i thought there was even one isp anywhere who wanted to use nxdomain remapping but didn't because bind didn't have that feature, i'd be ready to argue the point. but all isc did by not supporting this feature was force Maybe they would

Re: isc - a good business

2012-05-28 Thread Mark Andrews
The code is DNSSEC aware, it doesn't perform redirection if the client can detect that redirection has occured. So sign your zones and use a validating client (or just one that sets DO=1). Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Mikkel Mondrup Kristensen
On May 29, 2012, at 01:56 , Brett Frankenberger wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 09:32:29PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:21:10AM +0530, Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote a message of 28 lines which said: I know few registry/registrars which do not

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 1564718.6360.1338247007903.javamail.r...@benjamin.baylink.com, Jay Ashworth writes: - Original Message - From: Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org *Now*, you see, we no longer have a canonical Good Engineering Example to which we can point when yelling at people (and

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 5ebc0868-05d2-435e-a671-e957af72f...@one.com, Mikkel Mondrup Krist ensen writes: On May 29, 2012, at 01:56 , Brett Frankenberger wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 09:32:29PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:21:10AM +0530, Anurag Bhatia

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org [ vix: ] meanwhile isc continues to push for ubiquitous dnssec, through to the stub, to take this issue off the table for all people and all time. (that's the real fix for nxdomain remapping.) You really believe

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Randy Bush
Jay Ashworth writes: please do not feed the troll When your browers supports DANE and a billion home nats support dnssec :( randy

Re: DNS anycasting - multiple DNS servers on same subnet Vs registrar/registry policies

2012-05-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 5/28/12, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On May 28, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Anurag Bhatia wrote: I know few registry/registrars which do not accept both (or all) name servers of domain name on same subnet. They demand at least 1 DNS server should be on different subnet for failover

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 5/28/12, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: Until stub resolvers set DO=1 pretty much ubiquitously this won't be a problem for ISP's that want to do nxdomain redirection. There Yeah. Right now current _server_ implementations don't even have it right, for properly implementing

IPv6 security: New IETF I-Ds, slideware and videos of recent presentations, trainings, etc...

2012-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, * We've published a new IETF I-D entitled DHCPv6-Shield: Protecting Against Rogue DHCPv6 Servers, which is meant to provide RA-Guard-like protection against rogue DHCPv6 servers. The I-D is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-gont-opsec-dhcpv6-shield-00.txt Other IPv6 security

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 23491623.6382.1338256344974.javamail.r...@benjamin.baylink.com, Jay Ashworth writ es: - Original Message - From: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org [ vix: ] meanwhile isc continues to push for ubiquitous dnssec, through to the stub, to take this issue off the table

Re: NXDomain remapping, DNSSEC, Layer 9, and you.

2012-05-28 Thread Mark Andrews
In message CAAAwwbWRGcGcxhJ7G4XcFTr=6q--eowkbgnoqhwba1o0bb+...@mail.gmail.com , Jimmy Hess writes: On 5/28/12, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: Until stub resolvers set DO=1 pretty much ubiquitously this won't be a problem for ISP's that want to do nxdomain redirection. There