Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Keegan Holley
On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Staudinger, Malcolm mstaudin...@corp.earthlink.com wrote: Why wouldn't you just block chargen entirely? Is it actually still being used these days for anything legitimate? More politely stated, it’s not the responsibility of the operator to decide what

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Keegan Holley no.s...@comcast.net wrote: More politely stated, it’s not the responsibility of the operator to decide what belongs on the network and what doesn’t. Users can run any services that’s not illegal or even reuse ports for other applications. That

Managing ACL exceptions (was Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?)

2014-02-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brandon Galbraith brandon.galbra...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Keegan Holley no.s...@comcast.net wrote: More politely stated, it’s not the responsibility of the operator to decide what belongs on the network and what doesn’t. Users can run

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:44:55 -0600, Brandon Galbraith said: Blocking chargen at the edge doesn't seem to be outside of the realm of possibilities. What systems are (a) still have chargen enabled and (b) common enough to make it a viable DDoS vector? Just wondering if I need to go around and

Re: Managing IOS Configuration Snippets

2014-02-26 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/26/2014 4:22 PM, Ryan Shea wrote: Howdy network operator cognoscenti, I'd love to hear your creative and workable solutions for a way to track in-line the configuration revisions you have on your cisco-like devices. Let me clearify/frame: You have a set of tested/approved configurations

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:33 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:44:55 -0600, Brandon Galbraith said: Blocking chargen at the edge doesn't seem to be outside of the realm of possibilities. What systems are (a) still have chargen enabled and (b) common enough to make it

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/26/2014 5:33 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:44:55 -0600, Brandon Galbraith said: Blocking chargen at the edge doesn't seem to be outside of the realm of possibilities. What systems are (a) still have chargen enabled and (b) common enough to make it a viable

Re: Managing IOS Configuration Snippets

2014-02-26 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/26/2014 5:37 PM, Robert Drake wrote: Most people roll their own solution. If you're looking to do that consider using augeas for parsing the configuration files. It can be really useful for documenting changes, and probably to diff parts of the config. You might also consider

Re: Managing IOS Configuration Snippets

2014-02-26 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Ryan Shea ryans...@google.com wrote: Robert - all great suggestions. Big cross-vendor configuration generation and deployment is outside the scope of what I was hoping for here. The goal is to have the version information somehow encoded into the configuration,

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Harry Hoffman
Most of what I've seen are reset configs on network gear, standalone devices (printers), and the occasional win 98 box with network addons. We put blocks in place for ntp, SNMP for a short time to get things under control. Chargen was so small it was easier to just alert folks directly. HTH.

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Staudinger, Malcolm mstaudin...@corp.earthlink.com wrote: Why wouldn't you just block chargen entirely? Is it actually still being used these days for anything legitimate? Long term blocking based on port number is sure to result in problems. It's more

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Randy Bush
I only ran the scan once, but had ~130k devices respond. is there any modern utility in chargen?

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Robert Drake
On 2/26/2014 11:03 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: The well known port assignments are advisory or recommended, for use by other unknown processes. the purpose of well known port assignments is for service location; the port number is not a sequence of application identification bits. The QUIC

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Frank Habicht
On 2/27/2014 8:09 AM, Randy Bush wrote: I only ran the scan once, but had ~130k devices respond. is there any modern utility in chargen? I know of none, maybe I'm too young. So we could conclude we don't need that service running. But some folk use ports for services other than the intended

Re: Filter NTP traffic by packet size?

2014-02-26 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: I only ran the scan once, but had ~130k devices respond. is there any modern utility in chargen? Does ne'er-do-wells hitting IRC users with DCC CHAT requests targeted to trick the victim into connecting to port 19/tcp count

Re: Managing IOS Configuration Snippets

2014-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka
We are evaluating a piece of software called Skybox: http://www.skyboxsecurity.com/ It's geared to security analytics, but it does allow you to define configurations that are expected on a device, what software version it is running, whether commands that aren't there are, and those