Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread Tom Paseka via NANOG
In terms of bits, MOST Hong Kong traffic does NOT traverse HKIX. However, Hong Kong ISPs, almost entirely communicate with each other of HKIX. Sources like Akamai and Google, however, do not typically traverse HKIX. These are the majority of traffic. 99% of Hong Kong is connected to HKIX, by

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 04:41:13PM -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote: > Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here > knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. Barry, While it's absolutely a number we don't have, it's also worth asking

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 1:41 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: > Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here > knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. That’s incorrect. I’m here, and I know that: 1) HKIX does not handle anywhere near 99% of Hong

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread John Sage
On 11/20/19 1:41 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. It's a number. mmm... Since you clearly did *not* read any of the previous replies or chose to ignore them,

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:41 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here > knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. No more than any other site. Most IXPs may have a significant amount of traffic but it’s

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread bzs
Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. It's a number. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Ethan O'Toole
This is why you don't go after Hulu. You go after the content owners who conspired to compel Hulu to limit distribution in a way that tortiously interferes with your contract with your eyeball customers. Then, before Which in many cases is groups like the Screen Actors Guild and the music

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:32 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > The problem here is that identifying class members is very hard (most class members wouldn’t realize why they were not getting Hulu, and Hulu probably either quickly corrects the problem on their end or blames the ISP), meaning they wouldn’t

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Brandon Martin
On 11/20/19 3:31 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: As an ISP, there might be something there, but, you’d have to prove that you had a significant number of customers that left for that specific reason and you’d have to show the actual damages that resulted. Easy to estimate, very hard to prove. Not

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Owen DeLong
>> > I suppose a Hulu subscriber could dispute the charge or file a suit (class > action?) for damages: "Hulu took my money, but didn't provide the services > they advertised." As an ISP, some of us might even be in a position where we > encounter losses due to Hulu's (mis)classification

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Blake Hudson
Owen DeLong wrote on 11/20/2019 11:51 AM: On Nov 20, 2019, at 07:38 , Tom Beecher > wrote: Never did figure out if it was stupidity or malice driving that. Personally I think it's neither; it's just $. They could invest in a robust system to

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 07:38 , Tom Beecher wrote: > > Never did figure out if it was stupidity > or malice driving that. > > Personally I think it's neither; it's just $. > > They could invest in a robust system to accurately identify what they chose > not to allow to access the

Re: Hulu thinks all my IP addresses are "business class", how to reach them?

2019-11-20 Thread Tom Beecher
> > Never did figure out if it was stupidity > or malice driving that. > Personally I think it's neither; it's just $. They could invest in a robust system to accurately identify what they chose not to allow to access the service. Or, they can choose to run with a 'close enough' system with

Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?

2019-11-20 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
On 19 November 2019 22:43:34 CET, b...@theworld.com wrote: > >Is this plausible? > Organic manure -- Pierfrancesco Caci