Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/Jul/20 14:00, Paul Nash wrote: > Not quite VSAT, but in the bad old SA days (pre-demicracy), I did some work > for a company that used a UK-based satellite provider for data to the client > (data was sent in the VBI), and dial-up for the traffic from the client. > > Still relied on a

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 11/Jul/20 02:16, Brandon Martin wrote: >   > All of the part numbers I was able to find a description of (after > sifting through the numerous pages copying the vulnerability > disclosure) appeared to be low-cost, low- to mid-density pizza-box > EPON OLTs.  I didn't see any ONUs, but then I

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Jul/20 15:41, Colin Stanners (lists) wrote: > > Looking at the Wikipedia article, it claims that  Atlantis-2 “can > already be upgraded with current technology to 160Gbit/s”. Would be > interesting why that wasn’t already done on this 20-year-old cable – > assuming that the underground

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Jul/20 17:16, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > Brazil-Angola cable is SACS, which for an European route would be > paired with WACS to go from Angola to Portugal.  > Brazil-Cameroon cable is SAIL, which to get to Europe would be paired > with ACE to go from Cameroon to Portugal or France. WACS is

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 11/Jul/20 00:22, Alexander Neilson wrote: > > For these to be internet exposed presumably they must be including a > router function and not simply doing some bridging of customer traffic. Well, if the attacker were able to find a way into your bastion host... Mark.

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Jul/20 17:25, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Obviously he means countries like Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland. > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World#/media/File:Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg >> > > It's not clear why there's any relationship between third world status > and the

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/Jul/20 17:19, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > > Alternative routes before EllaLink comes into operation would be one > of the Brazil-Africa cables (one to Cameroon, the other to Angola) and > then to Europe. Are you talking about SAex? There is SACS as well. Mark.

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/Jul/20 23:43, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > Almost no surprise they are all third world, still scary in a sense. > Might just have to rethink a blacklist strategy for traffic > originating behind those locations. Still don't know what "third world" means (of course I do...), but

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/Jul/20 18:58, Owen DeLong wrote: > https://www.zdnet.com/article/backdoor-accounts-discovered-in-29-ftth-devices-from-chinese-vendor-c-data/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b=29077120342825113007211255328545=12920625=2211510872 > > > Wow… Just wow. And unlike routers, switches (and OLT's) don't seem

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 12/Jul/20 17:05, Max Tulyev wrote: >   > > I see there is only one undersea cable going directly from Brazil to > Europe. Why? Have you ever read a C contract for a submarine cable build :-)? Mark.

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Jul/20 17:33, Mike Hammett wrote: > Fiscal and logistic reasons, would be my guess. Nick was being facetious :-). Mark.

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 12/Jul/20 17:19, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > > > Alternative routes before EllaLink comes into operation would be one of > the Brazil-Africa cables (one to Cameroon, the other to Angola) and then to > Europe. > > > Are you talking about

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
Mark Tinka wrote on 13/07/2020 16:03: Still don't know what "third world" means (of course I do...), but Obviously he means countries like Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World#/media/File:Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg It's not clear why there's any

RE: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Colin Stanners (lists)
Looking at the Wikipedia article, it claims that Atlantis-2 “can already be upgraded with current technology to 160Gbit/s”. Would be interesting why that wasn’t already done on this 20-year-old cable – assuming that the underground infrastructure (repeaters) are compatible with the newer

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
Colin Stanners (lists) wrote on 13/07/2020 14:41: Looking at the Wikipedia article, it claims that  Atlantis-2 “can already be upgraded with current technology to 160Gbit/s”. Would be interesting why that wasn’t already done on this 20-year-old cable – assuming that the underground

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Jul/20 16:23, Nick Hilliard wrote: >   > 160gbit/sec split over a standard 80ch itu dwdm grid sounds like > 2gbit/sec per channel (although there are more efficient options than > the standard itu grid).  This sounds like it's seriously not worth it > for today's bandwidth requirements,

Re: Anyone running C-Data OLTs?

2020-07-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Fiscal and logistic reasons, would be my guess. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Nick Hilliard" To: "Mark Tinka" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020

Re: SaoPaolo to Frankfurt

2020-07-13 Thread d...@darwincosta.com
> On 13 Jul 2020, at 17:17, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > >  > > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mark Tinka wrote: >> >> >> On 12/Jul/20 17:19, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Alternative routes before EllaLink comes into operation would be one of the >>> Brazil-Africa cables (one to