Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Brandon Martin wrote: However, as long as your receiver still has adequate dynamic range to receive "everything that's there", That's not saturation. Saturation means a receiver does not have adequate dynamic range. With digital processing under saturation, effective number of bits is

Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread Justin Krejci
https://www.arelion.com/ Since all other work is now complete in the world I should have plenty of time to update documentation, billing, labels, port names, route-maps, contact email addresses, etc. After watching their marketing video I learned the pronunciation of Arelion is not R-Lion

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Tom Beecher
Altimeter Band : 4.2Ghz - 4.4Ghz VZ and AT agreed (long ago) to reduce power and stay inside 3.7Ghz - 3.98Ghz once the full deployment was done, staying 200MHz away from altimeters. In Japan, they have been running 5G for over a year now up to 4,1Ghz, and restarting again at 4.5Ghz. Only 100MHz

Re: Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Justin, > https://www.arelion.com/ > > > > Since all other work is now complete in the world I should have plenty of > time to update documentation, billing, labels, port names, route-maps, > contact email addresses, etc. > > After watching their marketing video I learned the pronunciation

Re: Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread Bruce H McIntosh
On 1/19/22 1:05 PM, Phineas Walton wrote: *[External Email]* Telia was such a great name; way easier to remember and more phonetic than “Arelion”.. we are moving backwards. Why are all high-tier ISPs always in the market for rebranding? They sound like one of the Twelve Colonies of Cobol

Re: Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
I think it’s more in the hopes that previously irritated customers might not realize they’re once again dealing with the same schmucks that pissed them off years back. It helps keep then incoming churn of new customers to replace the churn from other customers rage quitting. Owen > On Jan

What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

2022-01-19 Thread Michael Thomas
There was an article in the Economist (sorry if it's paywalled) about Dish entering the mobile market using an AWS backend. I don't think that AWS brings much more than compute for the most part so I don't really get why this would be a huge win. A win maybe, but a huge win? I can certainly

Re: Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread james.cut...@consultant.com
As in any other company, the Marketing Department has to find some activity to prove their worth. > On Jan 19, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Phineas Walton wrote: > > Why are all high-tier ISPs always in the market for rebranding?

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Tom Beecher
It's also relevant that the spectrum surrounding the 4.2-4.4 range has not been an empty desert. It has been used for satellite downlink since the 60s I think? Yes, there are surely tons of differences in RF characteristics between the two. But let's be honest. Analysis would have been done

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Keith Stokes
Being a former satellite downlink/uplink operator I loosely kept up with this and had some involvement. The satellite vendors moved frequencies on some of their customers to make way. I forget the full economics and seem to remember one could get reimbursed from the FCC for the change.

Re: Telia is now Arelion

2022-01-19 Thread Phineas Walton
Telia was such a great name; way easier to remember and more phonetic than “Arelion”.. we are moving backwards. Why are all high-tier ISPs always in the market for rebranding? Phin On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 6:00 PM Justin Krejci wrote: > https://www.arelion.com/ > > > > > Since all other work

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
> On Jan 18, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: > > What aviation now wants is a 5G exclusion zone around airports, or what > I sarcastically call "a technology exclusion zone," which tends to be > businesses and homes. What is aviation going to do when 6G comes along? > A new WiFi

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Dennis Glatting
On Tue, 2022-01-18 at 12:29 -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > > I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be > having > this fight now, right? > I worked in aviation as a technologist. Aviation is resistant to change. Any change. When you fly older aircraft, be aware that the

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread sronan
Considering Verizon has a very sizable fleet of private aircraft, I am fairly certain this will happen often. Shane > On Jan 19, 2022, at 4:59 PM, nano...@mulligan.org wrote: > >  Scott - a side note to clarify things... > > The 737 Max8 problem was NOT due to lack of testing or

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 1/19/22 01:53, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: Jay, one thing you’re missing is that a maximum of 2 (and almost always 1) radar altimeter will be in use per airfield, as one aircraft will be landing at a time. Really? I was under the impression that radar altimeters were

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Scott McGrath
I’m guessing you are not a pilot, one reason aviation is resistant to change is its history is written in blood,Unlike tech aviation is incremental change and painstaking testing and documentation of that testing. When that does not happen we get stuff like the 737 Max debacle Aviation is

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread nanog08
Yeah - I'm sure they do and that is my point.  The heads of Verizon and ATT are not flying commercial. Their planes are not commercial airlines with hundreds of passengers == so they can much more easily just divert... Geoff On 1/19/22 15:12, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: Considering

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Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread nanog08
Scott - a side note to clarify things... The 737 Max8 problem was NOT due to lack of testing or non-incremental changes.  The system was well tested and put through it's paces.  It was a lack of proper pilot training in the aircraft and its systems and some carriers choosing to NOT purchase

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
nano...@mulligan.org wrote on 19/01/2022 21:57: If you look at 5G deployments around Japan and Europe, generally they are NOT right up next to major airports. You might want to fact-check this claim. Most airports have cell towers nearby, particularly international airports. Whatever about

Re: Coverage of the .to internet outage

2022-01-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- j...@baylink.com wrote: From: "Jay R. Ashworth" This piece: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073863310/an-undersea-cable-fault-could-cut-tonga-from-the-rest-of-the-world-for-weeks drills down to this piece with slightly more detail:

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Jay
Greetings, On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Masataka Ohta wrote: Jay Hennigan wrote: Radar receivers are typically some form of direct conversion with rather good selectivity, synchronized to the frequency of the transmitted pulse. No. Direct conversion stage has no inherent frequency selectivity and

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Tom Beecher
> Jay, one thing you’re missing is that a maximum of 2 (and almost always 1) radar altimeter will be in use per airfield, as one aircraft will be landing at a time. I believe that Lady Benjamin may have conflated the radar altimeter on aircraft with the instrument landing system transmitters. On

Re: Coverage of the .to internet outage

2022-01-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@baylink.com wrote: From: "Jay R. Ashworth" This piece: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073863310/an-undersea-cable-fault-could-cut-tonga-from-the-rest-of-the-world-for-weeks drills down to this piece with slightly more detail:

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Tom Beecher wrote: It's also relevant that the spectrum surrounding the 4.2-4.4 range has not been an empty desert. It has been used for satellite downlink since the 60s I think? Yes, there are surely tons of differences in RF characteristics between the two. The important difference is in

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Bryan Fields
On 1/18/22 9:03 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: > One thing the FCC could potentially do to wipe some egg of their > collective faces, here, is mandate that transmitters operating in this > newly allocated wireless band face additional scrutiny for spurious > emissions in the radio altimeter band as

Re: SOHO IPv6 switches

2022-01-19 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, Brandon Martin wrote: The Netgear GS108T is my typical go-to "not a dumb switch". 8 ports for about $80. Make sure you get the v3 if you want most of the modern IPv6 L2 features (you also get some very limited L3 capabilities). The v2 lacks most of them and is still

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 1/19/22 18:31, Bryan Fields wrote: The issue is not one of out of band emissions, but rather close but strong signals near the receiver pass band. This can cause compression of the first RF amplifier stage and de-sensitize the receiver so it cannot hear the intended signal. I won't get

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Masataka Ohta
Jay wrote:    By adding an LC bandpass filter will add to the propogation delay of the receiver.  When the round-trip time of the echo at 1000 feet is only 2 microseconds, that added delay will throw the RA out of calibration. Altitude error by the delay is proportional to wavelength of

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Scott McGrath
Um the Lightsquared monster is back stronger than ever however it has a new name Ligado Networks Yes we now have something which everyone agrees will hose every civillian GPS receiver out there. But hey thats the user’s problem. I’m glad i know how to use a sextant…. Perhaps someone will

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Jay, one thing you’re missing is that a maximum of 2 (and almost always 1) radar altimeter will be in use per airfield, as one aircraft will be landing at a time. 2 at SFO in good weather. (Where it doesn’t matter if they work). Apparently some old gear has trouble with even a 500MHz guard

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

2022-01-19 Thread Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
Let’s be clear, this is not a 5G issue. LTE in the space spectrum would be an issue. This is a spectrum issue. Only. Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO l...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the

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