Re: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-11 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:38 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 3:29 PM Christopher Wolff > wrote: > > Will tomorrow’s applications require a re-thinking of “The Internet” and > > protocols that are low latency compliant? > > No, because speed of light constraints will continue

RE: IoT - The end of the internet

2022-08-11 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG
Exponential growth under the limited resource Always finish by collapse. Some resources are always limited in nature. Smith’s joke from the “Matrix” (about modeling humans as a virus) is only partially a joke. Whenever somebody talks about “exponent” – be alarmed – it would end in a very bad

Telia->ATT at 350 Cermak

2022-08-11 Thread Rafael Possamai
After some time monitoring/troubleshooting, we are seeing what looks like congestion between AS1299 and AS7018 at 350 Cermak during typical peak hours. Could someone please reach out off-list if possible? Much appreciated. Thanks, Rafael

Re: Peering with Google and Microsoft

2022-08-11 Thread Oskar Borgqvist
Hi Before I go on I need to clarify some details. As for Microsoft, we have followed their guides and done what needs to be done in Azure. But we have had problems with certain parts (ASN Associate). Therefore, we have tried to get hold of them via peer...@microsoft.com with no results.

Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread August Yang via NANOG
Think twice before asking the largest global IPv6 network as measured by prefixes announced to pay Cogent for peering. Also what’s with Telia here? Best regards August Yang On 2022-08-11 09:46, VOLKAN KIRIK wrote: hello nobody has to peer with some operator for free. they are simply trading

Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Niels Bakker said: > * volki...@gmail.com (VOLKAN KIRIK) [Thu 11 Aug 2022, 15:52 CEST]: > >hello > > You're replying to a thread from 2009. Please advise. Maybe they're a Cogent sales rep that, when trying snipe a customer's customer, got push-back on "can I get to Google and

Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread VOLKAN KIRIK
the companies are here to trade, charge prices for their services so why blame cogent for doing what they supposed to be doing? why did hurricane stop BGP tunnel service? and started asking for 500 usd/month for peering? expense of BGP servers? or did they realize ipv6 prefixes does not

Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread Matt Harris
[Removing peer...@he.net from this because there's no reason to spam them.] Matt Harris|VP of Infrastructure 816-256-5446|Direct Looking for help? Helpdesk|Email Support We build customized end-to-end technology solutions powered by NetFire Cloud. On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 9:21 AM VOLKAN KIRIK

RE: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread VOLKAN KIRIK
hello nobody has to peer with some operator for free. they are simply trading internet services. they do not have to believe in FREE (as in price) internet connectivity.. if they peered you, you would decrease the price of the products even more and more... ask cogentco (as174) for paid

Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread Niels Bakker
* volki...@gmail.com (VOLKAN KIRIK) [Thu 11 Aug 2022, 15:52 CEST]: hello You're replying to a thread from 2009. Please advise. -- Niels.

Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Michael Thomas
They haven't been serving up images for like an hour or so and now it's showing their fail whale. Not sure if it's a (internal) network problem or not. I'm in California fwiw. Mike

Re: Getting Fiber to My Town by Jared Mauch

2022-08-11 Thread Hank Nussbacher via NANOG
On 10/09/2020 15:16, Jared Mauch wrote: Go Jared: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/news/man-who-built-broadband-avoid-27717560 -Hank On Sep 10, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Jared Brown wrote: I believe this belongs here: Getting Fiber to My Town by Jared Mauch

Re: Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Michael Thomas
And of course the act of sending this mail caused the wave function to collapse and it seems to be up again, at least for me. Mike On 8/11/22 1:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: They haven't been serving up images for like an hour or so and now it's showing their fail whale. Not sure if it's a

Re: Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Mel Beckman
According to Heisenberg, it’s up :) -mel via cell > On Aug 11, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > And of course the act of sending this mail caused the wave function to > collapse and it seems to be up again, at least for me. > > Mike > >> On 8/11/22 1:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:

RE: [External] Peering with Google and Microsoft

2022-08-11 Thread Tom Krenn via NANOG
Hi Oskar, I’m in the exact same boat as you. To help clarify for the list. When following the process for Google outlined at https://peering.google.com/#/options/peering we only receive a message stating: “Thank you for requesting Internet Exchange (IX) peering with Google. IX Peering

Re: [External] Peering with Google and Microsoft

2022-08-11 Thread Dave Schwartz via NANOG
Hi Tom and Oskar, Thanks for surfacing this. We are indeed continuing to pause IX peering as we work to implement IRR filtering on our peering to increase the reliability of Google. This is a very active area of development and a high priority for Google. As we understand that this has been the

Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC

2022-08-11 Thread Nanog News
*Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC* *Huawei, Chinese Carriers, and China want to Redesign a Prominent Part of the Internet via a set of “New IP” Proposals* Any new initiative has pros and cons, but according to ISOC (Internet Society), the “New

Re: Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Joe Loiacono
Well, makes sense. According to Schrodinger it's both up and down. On 8/11/2022 5:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 8/11/22 2:12 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: According to Heisenberg, it’s up :) It's still having problems serving up images. Thankfully their ad images are not affected :/ Mike

Re: Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC

2022-08-11 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:33:20 -0400 b...@theworld.com wrote: > (it's only 25 pages and you probably can skip to section 6, maybe look > at section 5, the rest is mostly "what a network is" padding.) On that note... I found this the following to a reasonably pragmatic and thoughtful, albeit

Re: Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Michael Thomas
I can see in the browser debug spew that it's getting 503's on fbcdn.net. Mike On 8/11/22 2:36 PM, Joe Loiacono wrote: Well, makes sense. According to Schrodinger it's both up and down. On 8/11/2022 5:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 8/11/22 2:12 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: According to

Re: Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC

2022-08-11 Thread bzs
This has been going around for at least two years, makes for some great scary, click-bait headlines ("they propose an internet kill switch! For China!", and so forth.) Besides the obvious question, "by what authority will they move this forward?" many of us looked at the proposals and they're,

Re: Facebook down?

2022-08-11 Thread Michael Thomas
On 8/11/22 2:12 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: According to Heisenberg, it’s up :) It's still having problems serving up images. Thankfully their ad images are not affected :/ Mike -mel via cell On Aug 11, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: And of course the act of sending this mail

RE: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering

2022-08-11 Thread Chris Wright
The reply must've been stuck in Cogent's network for the past 13 years. Chris -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Chris Adams Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:17 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 internet broken, cogent/telia/hurricane not peering Once upon a time,

[NANOG-announce] Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC

2022-08-11 Thread Nanog News
*Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC* *Huawei, Chinese Carriers, and China want to Redesign a Prominent Part of the Internet via a set of “New IP” Proposals* Any new initiative has pros and cons, but according to ISOC (Internet Society), the “New